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Ancient Tamilian.... the Global-Humanity

Mr Vira Rajendra,

According to this History, you quoted ... Sinhalas... existed even during the Mahabhaaratha period. ... Does it mean the present Sinhala-Race with a Separate Language and Unique culture of their own?...

(1) As far as I know... the whole of the present Srilanka was a part of a Tamilian Chola-Empire ... who in the subsequent days gave "Refuge" to the Eloped Royal-family from Kalinga... as well as another such group of a Tribal-Leader from Africa. This fact was accepted by the Tamil-friendly Srilankan political parties, who released a Postal stamp to.... as if the Sinhalese... rushing by boats... while the Tamilians with both hands Wellcomed with Human-warmth. ... your Story is different?

(2) Regarding the Name Singala... Was it any Tamilian who had a Name as Simha got later on converted to a different culture...

... similar to a Tamilian-ruled Malai-naadu ... became Malaya... and then Malaysia now .

My above statement on Sinhalese gets fortified by two facts....

(1) The Sinhala Script is similar to Oriya Script, with abundant admixture of Sanskrit words similar to Oriya, while the rest are exclusively Tamilians only (barring the subsequent Europin-mixes) .... irrespective of their Religious faith as either Hindus or Muslims.

(2) The Tourist Paahiyaan's Notes say... that Sangamithra, the Daughter of the Emperor Asoka spread Budhism by travelling wide around various countries in Asia... spending maximum time in Sri-Lanka, Thailand, China, Indonesia regions. So she must have influenced these Migrated Oriyas of Srilanka into Budhism.

(3) On observation of the Bodily Physical Features in general of most of the Sinhalese, as we find now, we are able to believe the Historical assertion that they are from the Racial-mix up Ancestry of Ancient Indian Oriyas plus the African-Tribals .... both migrated from India and Africa during the ancient days, after the fall of Chola empire.

This is the Factual-History of Tamilian-developed Sri-Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand regions... which were just either Fallow-lands or Dense Forests... unfit for Human-inhabitation.... until then... but were developed by means of... "Hard-Toil".... risking their lives ... and thus enriched those unworthy lands as worthy Human-inhabitations... or Nations.... by the so called Tamilians of ancient days from India....

... So to say... these pieces of Lands... were the Extenson of India.....

.... Similar to the Case of America... USA... the Extension of various Europian countries...

... with only difference.... that all those were only Tamilians... and who alone were Adventurous enough... as their Name itself means in Sanskrit ... as Dravidians (Migrants) !!!

Now.... Onda vandha Pidaarihalh... Oor-Pidaariyai... virattuhinrhana..... !!!
.... ( ´ñ¼ Åó¾ À¢¼¡Ã¢¸û °÷ô-À¢¼¡Ã¢¨Â Å¢Ãðθ¢ýÈÉ !!! )


Whereas Tamilians.... all over the world ....still cherish and are proud of their Ancient Gospel ..

... Yaadhum-Oorae..... Yaavarum Kaelhir.... !!!
... ( ¡Ðõ °§Ã ¡ÅÕõ §¸Ç¢÷ !!! )

.... Because the Tamilians ever... "Believe" ... their Innate-Human-Spirit of... "Universal-Love"...

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"THAALI"(Thirumaangalyam) in Marriage.

Is it an Ancient Tamilian's Custom?

Participants views are invited.

[softy54534]

Dear RR,

Thanks ... a.... LOT LOT LOT.

Regarding the DELETION ... as you expect me to say... I need some time.

With Best Wishes,
Sudhaama

[PhillipHer]

Topic started by R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net) on Mon Oct 20 15:11:42 .


"Yaadhum Oorae, Yaavarum Kaelhir" is the Gospel of TAMILIAN-CULTURE. Right from the Ancient days of Humanity around the world, Tamilians have established this highly healthy Social-Culture of UNIVERSAL-LOVE.

Participants are invited to discuss on the relevant Issues, in the HEALTHY ASPECT and HEARTY-OUTLOOK, true to the spirit of the above TAMILIAN GOSPEL.

[Ifroham4]

From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Oct 25 06:25:21 EDT.



WHY?...HOW?...WHAT?

Tamilians alone vehemently object on Hindi to become the sole Official Language of India? WHY?

Several Non-Tamilian friends have raised this meaningful question under various Threads here, but so far left unanswered properly.

Do they hate Hindi?...NO.

Are they Selfish or of Dominating attitude? NO.

Are they Fanatics? NO.

Are they Self-centered to underestimate Hindi?.NO

Then... WHY?...HOW?....WHAT?

The plight of Tamilians is far different and more forceful as also unique in India,which has to be logically understood and realised by all,as the SOCIAL AWAKENING SUITING TO MODERN TIME....How?

Before I say, the diverse views of our other Participant-friends are invited, on which I will reply.



From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Fri Oct 31 16:03:15 EST.



IMPOSITION OF HINDI ON TAMILIANS IN INDIA ?

Why Tamilians alone vehemently object to the....
... INTRODUCTION OF HINDI.... as the Sole Official-Language of INDIA?

Several Non-Tamilians are wondering in this context and even doubting the Patriotism of Tamilians. Due to lack of proper communication and apt mutual understanding, some such gentlemen have expressed their bitter feelings in this Forum, under various Threads. These doubts have neither been adequately cleared nor the undue blames justifiably answered so far in this Forum.

The Truth behind as well as the Realistic plight of Tamilians in the present India and the logical Reasoning because of their Mother-Tongue Tamil, if duly put forth, it must be convincing to any sensible and open-minded Indian Gentleman.

The following are the Salient-points of Unique justification and Reasoning by Wisdom to assert why Tamilians plight is far highly uncomparable with any other Indian and how they find it very difficult to learn Hindi, while other Non-Hindi speakers can and are priveleged to advance comparatively faster than the Tamilians just because of their Language background. Any forcible time-bound imposition of Hindi on them, which is far alien to them as of now, will push down the Tamilians not only in the Indian National Arena but also internationally in the Social and Educational aspects. Whereas an Illiterate Hindian will become preferable over an highly educated Tamilian not knowing Hindi. The relevant questions are answered herebelow:

1.Sanskrit is the Mother of all Indian Languages?So there must be no difficulty to take up any one of the Indian Languages as the Common-Language for all.

No. The general belief amongst the Non-Tamilians all over India is, that the Mother and the ROOT of all the Indian-Languages, (including TAMIL), is the ONE Sole-Language SANSKRIT. . It is not correct. TAMIL and SANSKRIT are the two INDEPENDANT CLASSICAL LANGUAGES of India. And currently TAMIL is the only Classical Language of India, since Sanskrit has become the DEAD-LANGUAGE, not mentionably prevalent amongst any part as overall region of India.

2. Similar to other Indian Languages, in Tamil too Sanskrit Language words are mixed and used. Then how can it be said Tamil is not the Subsidiary off-shoot of Sanskrit unlike other Indian Languages?

Yes. In Tamil too we use several Sanskrit words. But the basic difference of the unique factors of Tamil compared to other Indian Languages is quite conspicuous. The more Sanskrit words are mixed in Hindi, Bengali, Marathi, Telugu and even Malayalam etc. of all other Languages of India, it is deemed as of high Literature-value, whereas it is the opposite case in Tamil. We use much of Sanskrit words in the colloqual or spoken Tamil. But the more we AVOID THE USE OF SANSKRIT words, it is deemed as the worthy Literal Tamil. If Sanskrit is furtheron avoided so to say to the extent of almost Nil, it is valued as the Literature-Tamil, so called SENTHAMIZH or pure Tamil. This factor proves that Tamil is the only Classical Language in the present India, far different from Sanskrit and is able to independantly exist without the admixture of another Language.

3. How can it be justified to say that TAMIL is far different and UNIQUE in comparison to other Indian Languages?


a. For several Letters in Hindi, we have no equavalent letters in Tamil script. Similarly Vice versa.....in Hindi there are no equavalent Letters for "Ç" "Æ", · etc. in Tamil. And also some of the Tamil Letters and Phonetics in Tamil cannot be written in the Hindi script (so as to differentiate between 'Kuril" and "Nedil"). For example for the Tamil word Tholkaappiyam of Tamil, we will have to write in Hindi as Thoalkaappiam(which means different in Tamil as the LITERATURE on LEATHER, contrary to its original word's meaning as the ANCIENT LITERATURE.

b. Tamil is the only Language in India WRITTEN LINEAR and without any Cluster of words like KLA, PRA, BDHA SWA etc., which sort of Hindi pronunciations for a Tamilian is very difficult, when compared to other Indians.

c In Hindi there are 4 letters and phonetics as Ka, Kha, Ga, Ghah as in all other Indian Languages including the other Dravidian Languages of South India. Whereas Tamil has only two sorts of phonetics for each consonant like Ka, Cha,Ta, Tha,Pa series. For example we have no phonetics in Tamil as Kha and Ghah in the Ka series. One single letter ¸ "Ka" is pronounced Ka or Ga depending on its placement. which basis is applicable in the cases of other Consonants too. These factors exist only in Tamil and no other Indian Languages. So we will not be able to truly transliterate Hindi into Tamil, or Vice-versa unlike other Indian Languages. Such a hurdle is a burdensome factor for Tamilians to learn equally fast at par with other Indians.

d. Tamil is the only Indian Language where the Phonetics of the letters are created by one single letter common for 2 or 3 different phonetics or sounds, depending on its location. For example:

¾ì"¸" = Pronounced as "Thakka" -- Ka gets "Ka" sound only
¾"¸" = Pronounced as "Thaha"--- Ka gets "Ha" sound.
¾í¸ = .......do..................."Thanga"-- Ka .. "...."Ga".....".....



The same basic rule applies to other consonants like Cha, Tha, Pa also.

So we will have to write one and the same combination of letters for Transliteration of Hindi in Tamil script as ¸¡ó¾¢ either for "KAANTHI" or GANDHI unlike the feasibility in other Indian Languages.

4. English being a foreign Language, should not be allowed to continue in the Free India. Independant India must have only one of the Indian Languages as its Official Language Medium for all important internal and national communications. Since Hindi is the maximum known Language all over India, deserving to occupy such a national demand, it has been preferred by the majority of the people.

a. So called Majority is almost confined to the middle regions of North India only. Whereas the knowledge of English is spread widely all over India.The justification by majority will be only self-deceptive and the biased imposition on a common citizen of Tamilnad feeling Hindi more alien than English presently well prevalent nationally, in the practical sense or Reality.

b.While all the Indian's imminent need is to learn the Science subjects fast to keep up showlder to showlder with the Global situation, Hindi cannot fill up the linguistic medium demand because of its lack of adequate Fertility and upgradation matching to the advanced Global Languages like English, French and German.

5. While we have more important issues before any common Indian all over India like ........

(a) Eradication of Illiteracy and improvement of Educational-standard of all Indians at par with that of the Global citizen.

(b) Eradication of Poverty all over India, especially in the Villages.

(c) Eradication of Unemployment.

(d) Raising up the Common man to the basic level of any Global citizen socially.

.......and so on....... the Language Issue need not be given so much of importance and Priority. Indians must all be united to concentrate and develop India as an advanced Nation, keeping in mind that even the small countries which were insignificant until 3 decades back have by now risen up so high in the Global Arena, advanced enough to compete with even the so called Rich and Advanced Nations like the USA and Canada whereas we are far behind either by Economy or by the Status and Means for Subsistence as well as rudimentary advancement.

Hence the matter change of Language either in the aspect of Official Language or in the aspect of National Communication means, from English to any Indian Language must be left to the posterity, so as to be decided after the Nation adequately advances well competent enough primarily to cater to the basic Human-needs of every Indian.

The leading example of other World Nations, especially U.S.A (which is radically the domiciled region or an Extension of all the various Europian countries like France, Germany, Netherland, Spain etc.) is worthy of emulation. How they had solved this problem of a multi-linguists people easily and practicably, deserves unbiased pondering.

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From: R.Srinivasan. (@ ip68*) on: Wed Jan 7 16:51:23 EST 2004.


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From: R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Tue Jan 13 22:13:30 EST.


¾¡úò¾ôÀ𧼡á? (Oppressed) ?.... ¾¡úò¾¢ì ¦¸¡ñ§¼¡Ã¡ (Self- Denigrators)?

//...SRINIVAS:... PLEASE DO NOT POSE AS ONE WHO IS VERY MATURE AND ABOVE SUCH CONTROVERSIES ... WHEN YOUR FAMILY GETS TARGETTED FOR PETTY REASONS .. U WOULD REALIZE WHAT I AM SAYING.//

My dear Friend Mr. Rahul, ... please do not throw such a SWEEPING-COMMENT... on anybody.... especially on a person you do not know at all ...

Can you judge the worth of a person, an Indian Senior-Citizen... who started his primary school studies... taught to pray... "God save our King....

...and have seen both the EXTREMITIES OF LIFE... unjustly suffered for major part of his life ... along with his innocent family members ....

... Unduly punished.. and still is able to walk abreast by means of his blotless and bright History coupled with firm Life-principles... being an acclaimed Result-oriented Executive ....

... who rose up only by HARDWORK, CLEAN HEART & HAND.... all through his long life to his present bald-headed state ....?...

Dear Friend.... I have confronted the worst ordeals.... which you mean.

// ..... RABID FANATICAL FEELINGS AS U SAY ... IS WELL DESERVED WHEN THE SOCIAL MILLEAU IN TAMILNADU IS EXTREMELY FANATIC TOWARDS ONE COMMUNITY FOR NO LOGICAL REASON .....//

I understand your reasoning and hurt-feelings... which is quite natural... But please do not show your anger towards me... without knowing my life-background, thoughts, approach and my personal pragmatic reaction on this matter.

The point You have raised,.... I have already answered hereabove in detail... Further I reiterate as already mentioned... it is nothing but JEALOUSY.... These people want to come up in life without gaining adequate professional knowledge nor standing at par with other citizens of India conforming to the Spirit of the Indian Constitution framed impartially and optimistically by the great Scholar Dr. Ambedkar , keeping in mind the Social-Backwardness of the DOWNTRODDEN.

He took up the matter on both the sides of Oppressors as well as the Oppressed.

According to him.... Brahmins were never the Oppressors notably ....

Dr. Ambedkar and Mr. Kamaraj used to ask .. History will speak as to how much abundantly this small extent of the noble community Brahmins (barring a few exceptions) has helped several Downtrodden people to come up ... just based on the Humanitarian principle.... when compared to the other so called Forward communities ...

Let these people ponder ... as to how much other Communities have helped eradicating the INHUMAN-OPPRESSION by means of Hegemony on another section of the nationals...

... just on the basis of their Community by birth... and just because they have accepted to perform Menial-jobs for the Common benefit of the Society.

Why should these so called the present ¾¡úò¾ô À𧼡÷ (Thaazhththappattoar) not follow the Healthy examples laid down by the Great Indians like Dr. Ambedkar, Mr. K.R.Narayanan and such others?

All of us irrespective of our Castes by birth, have equal regard and admiration towards such exemplary Luminaries of India, as much as others of their Community.

Dr. Ambedkar used to address his Community-people, the Downtrodden and categorically advise them ....

" For Heaven's sake do not treat your Community by birth as YOUR INBORN SPECIAL QUALIFICATION ... to be regarded all through your life... in preference ... or dominating on other communities... just on the BASIS OF BIRTH.... an unhealthy proposition and suicidal-perpetuation for any Community...

... the preferential position I have made possible ONLY ON A TEMPORARY BASIS which if continued will be detrimental to your interests... rather suicidal. All of you must take advantage of this temporary avenue to advance yourselves and further stand at par with other communities."within the Target-period fixed in the Constitution

These people ignored his advice and want to have Perpetual Domination over other Communities for ever and ever... taking undue advantage of Dr. Ambedkar's Humanitarian consideration ... provisionally.

They want to earn easily putting forth least efforts towards their profession or occupation ....

We can see how their various leaders speak in and outside the State-Assemblies as well as in the Lok Sabha.

I know.. since personally seen... as to how some such people who have easily acquired Educational Qualification on the strength of their Community of birth without the matching professional knowledge... and got employed in india as well as Overseas countries like Gulf-Countries and USA ... are facing the miserable situations every day and almost every moment while dealing with not only their bosses but also with their assistants and even workers... due to their inefficiency or lack of even the rudimentary knowledge in their job of employment...

I used to pity and help them as far as possible on Humanitarian grounds since I found them to be the misguided souls by their Self-centered Community-leaders.



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[tgs]

Manu-Smrithi

Vaedhas are called SRUTHI ... which are the authentic Divine commandments... being the Voice of God communicated to the Humanity through Rishis and such other Seers towards the overall Emancipation and advancement of Mankind.

Whereas SMRITHIs are not the Divine-Commandments.... but man-made Laws and Regulations without any Divinity or Sanctity attached to.

"Smrithi" means..... "Code-of-Practice".... a just recorded version of the self-imposed practices already in existence but recorded by the Representatives of the Kings. It was not newly legalised to be imposed on by the Rulers.

During the ancient days the the people were governed more by their Social- discipline based on their unified understanding within their respective section formed on the basis of Occupation or Profession... likee Farmers, Merchants, Medical-practitioners, Sculptors and so on. So to say the Social-Laws self-prescribed by the respective section of Social-groups were recorded and codified as the Branches of Laws applicable to that section of Society only. During those days when the Kings were ruling over different parts of Bhaarath... for their convenience of Reign, they depended upon the Self-imposed Laws of each Section of the Society.

How the so called "Manu-Smirithi" came into existence?

The Code of Practice already adopted by various sections of the Society was recorded by one Minister named Manu, even on which lot of amendments and supplements have been incorporated subsequently varying from country to country.. There is much dispute and controversial statements on the originality of Manu-Smrithi, because the versions of Manu-Smirithi adopted by the Guptha-Kings are far different from that Chandraguptha mourya King as also from that of Kalinga Rulers.

While the Manu-Smrithi has been based on Castes, the definitions on various castes itself are inconsistent and ambiguous, further differing from one another versions of Manu-Smrithi even though all of them had been documented in different countries in Palm-leaves and Metal-plates.

Manu-Smrithi became an utter failure due to its illogical reasoning and justifications, even though it was already a self-imposed code of practice. Especially it was vehemently criticised and objected to by some of the Religious Leaders of those days, as discriminatory and inhuman Laws.

Then Chanakya wrote the Artha-Saasthra, as the common Law for Governing the people of a country.. which too was on the Communal basis. But even that Saasthram was a modified code-of-practice as practically felt convenient sections of the Society on Community-basis.

But the Ministers could not enforce Artha-sasthra too effectively because of much of Communal mix-up even within the Royal families subsequently.

Because the Learned men of those days could convince their Kings that those man-made Smrithis are ambiguous inconsistent impracticable some being even inhuman too irrespective of the degree of Crime or the magnitude of the Offense committed. They were also considered as the encroachment and Gross Violation of Vaedhic Stipulations of Humanitarian approach

Thus both the Manu-Smrithi and Artha-Saasthra totally failed during the Ancient days itself.

[Paul Bunyan]

Indian-Culture is highly Unique amongst the International Culture of multifareous and mosaic pattern. Even within India there is one Culture far highly Unique and Conspicuous within the frame of Indian Culture itself.... it is TAMILIAN-CULTURE. How?

Human-beings are bestowed with 4 Innate Strengths....

1. Body-power (Physical-Strength)

2. Intellectual / Brain-Power (Wisdom)

3. Mind-Power

(Will-Power, Outlook, Introspection, Moral-Approach, Empathy, Sympathy, Love,Sincerety, Honesty, Loyalty,Kindness, Mercy, Unity, Social-spirit and Noblity)

4. Spiritual-Power

(Subtle-Power of Human-Soul in relation to the Cosmic-Power the Supere-Human )

The Western-Countries, so to say Europian-Countries, USA, Canada and such other allied countries prioritises the Wisdom as the Top-most essential power and means for Human-advancement and were totally making a Mockery of the Soul-Power, until about 50 years back, while Asian-Countries like Japan, India, Korea, Sri-Lanka and the like were highlighting the importance of Soul-power or Spiritual-power....for the effective life. Eventually they did not take it into consideration of essentials at all.

India is ever insisting and advocating to the International Scholars on the Soul-Power which they deemed Top-Priority amongst the Essential potentialities for meaningful advancement of Mankind, more than the Wisdom, for which the Indian priority order is the second after Soul-power.

Of late the Western countries especially the USA have retraced their on their misconception and wrong notion on the exclusive power of the Humans the so called Soul-power realising their past wrong contention and have taken up much efforts to step up the Souk-Power by means of Spiritual exercises like Meditation.

Whereas according to Tamilian-Culture, the Top-Priority amongst these essential Human-Strengths to be carefully nurtured and developed is, the MIND-POWER.

Tamilian-Literature argues that any amount of Wisdom or Soul-Power will not fetch the due result unless the Man applies his Mind towards the right direction, which further needs the support of the Soul-power in the practical outlook on life.

This aspect of Priority for Mind-power can be seen in the Tamil-Literatures profusely. For example....

¦ÅûÇò¾¨ÉÂÐ ÁÄ÷ ¿£ð¼õ Á¡ó¾÷ ¾õ ¯ûÇò¾¨ÉÂÐ ¯Â÷×.....

The Advancement in Life or the Elevation in Status lies proportionate and commensurate with the Height of ones Mind similar to the case of the (Lotus-like) Flower-Stem growth by matching length with the depth of water

¬ì¸õ «¾÷Ţɡöî ¦ºøÖõ «¨ºÅ¢Ä¡ °ì¸õ ¯¨¼Â¡ý ¯¨Æ.

Of its own accord, Wealth will reach that Man who ensures his unwavery and unshakeable Enthusiasm (in his Life-Duties)

¯ûÙÅÐ ±øÄ¡õ ¯Â÷× ¯ûÇø ÁüÈÐ ¾ûÇ¢Ûõ ¾ûÇ¡¨Á ¿£÷òÐ.

Always Think High (Aim High)... and ignore the other side (of Problems).

While the Western-Culture does not give much importance to the SPIRITUAL-POWER in Human-beings, Indian-Culture gives high importance to that unparallel Unique and innate Human-might.
But generally speaking Indian-Culture by way of Hindu Religion speaks low of Mind... as of Monkey-attitude.... and al the Poets of other Indian Languages address the Mind... you the idiotic Mind... You the Sinful-Mind... You the Sullied Mind... You the Minkey-Mind... etc... denigrating the Mind too low.

Whereas Tamilian Literarure speaks high of MIND-POWER as seen hereabove.

Even within the broad outlook of Indian-Culture ... TAMILIAN-CULTURE is far UNIQUE... by way of TOP-PRIORITY for Mind-Power,... out of all the Four innate Human-Mights

So to say in brief... the STIPULATIONS ... on the application of Human-Power towards Ones Advancement in Life... varies... by different Cultural-outlook.... thus...

ORDER OF PRIORITY:--
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Western-Culture ---------- Indian-Culture ---------------- Tamilian-Culture
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(1) Wisdom ......................... Spiritual-Power............................ Mind-Power

(2) Phyical-Might................. Wisdom......................................... Spiritual-Power

(3) Mind-Power...................... Physical-Power............................ Wisdom

(4) Spiritual-Power................. Mind-Power.................................. Physical-Might

__________________________________________________ ____________________

Applying this REALISTIC-APPROACH duly APT FOR MANKIND...

.... and contra-distinctory from Animals and Birds.... which are not bestowed with...

... such a Unique Combination of rare Mights as for HUMAN-BEINGS ONLY ...

In practical life Several-persons INTERNATIONALLY have well-advanced in life ensuring Success and Happoiness when compared to others adopting different prioritical approach necessitating undue extent of strain and woes coupled with more risk to achieve Results..

... MAINLY BY MEANS OF THEIR.... "WILL-POWER" ... more than...

... By means of their WISDOM and other Mights....

... compared to others... laid behind ....

... So Which is that approach ... the HEALTHIEST... and the MOST-PROPER ..?

... for Humans' ADVANCEMENT... UNITY.... SUCCESS... HAPPINESS . and PROSPERITY...??

... by PRIORITY-ORDER of Application of Ones Mights .....??

... TAMILIAN-CULTURE... !!

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

srinivas : tamilians are a great breed and I admire the culture .. have studied deeply about the rich intricasies of their ancient teachings and i am very impressed about everything about the nuances of the word thamizh and everything surrounding it except ... their illogical , brainless hatred of brahmins and hindi . for such a great culture, it is a anamoly to have such foolish and dangerous views on a particular community . they are down right foolish .. everything about brahmins and non brahmins is similar including the thaali custom u have mentioned .,., then why the hatred for another kith and kin? please let me know yr views on this

[Peptobismol]

Origin of Caste-System in India?

Castes got shaped by various means.. Mainly they were... Based on...

(1) Occupation or Profession.. Kuyavar, Naavidhar, Aasaari, Vaiththiyar, etc.

(2) Status caused by the Honours bestowed on them as Mudali, Vaanhan etc.

(3) Sects following a specific Faith... Pilhai, Iyer, Iyengar etc.

(4) Sects oppressed by the Kings as the habitual Criminals, Traitors(Unduly) of the Kingdom... Sandaalhaas... and others.

(1) Based on Occupation / Talent

Let us consider the case of a Hindu family. Within any one Family, the tasks are apportioned by the Head of the Family.... the aged Father.... amongst his grown up Sons. Suppose he has 4 Sons, and varieties of Family-duties are to be distributed. He knows the discerning competencies of his each son distinctively different from one another, by their individuality.... He analyses as to which Son is well-competent to perform the Manual-duties in his Farms... another to take care of the Cattle for ablusions etc.... the other to take care of Selling the Grains in themarket... another to take care of his Financial transactions... another to be at home with him in assisting in office-correspodency as well as to take care of the Home-duties. Corresponding with the individual competency with the Job-demands of the tasks on hand... he allots to each individual son and gets his family run by means of Team-spirit by the Family-members as the Common asset of the whole family... without any discrimination.

So was the spirit of the ideal Kings of Ancient days.... the King being treated as the Head of the Society... his Subjects considered as of one Single Family.... of the Kingdom as One Home.

Accordingly matching with the individual Talents some people were selected as the apt Farmers, Sculptors, Merchants, Teachers, Artists, Medical-practitioners and the like. They formed into several groups based on such occupation and used to live together in a specific area. They formed unions amongst them group-wise. Such unions were found necessary to represent to the King as well as in dealing with the relevant other Group for mutual Transactions.

So to say a Pot-maker has to sell his pots to a Farmer and fetch Food-grains in return. Similarly for other occupations too.

Then such people wanted to transfer their Job-knowledge to their children to ensure the committed earning of his posterity but wanted to confine such Skills within his family only, since he did not want others to compete witht his children. So it became the Kula-Thozhil (Family-occupation).

Ultimately each group was identified with a Name attributed by the Kings and the Common Society... based on their Occupation / Talent.

... To continue....

[HedgeYourBets]

"PONGAL" : .... The FESTIVAL OF GRATITUDE .... Unique Tamilian-Culture !!

The word "Pongal" is a Tamil word and the Festival named "Pongal" is the Tamilian-festival, lead by the Farmers.... linked with the Post-Harvest Season.

So to say this Festival pertains not only to Farmers but also to one all the Tamilians...

... it being .... Factually their "ANNUAL FESTIVAL OF GRATITUDE" in all respects.

Tamilians ever since the days of their God-Realisation worshipped "Sun" as their Prime-God, and even in the Tamil-Literature, there is adequate proof for it.

Silappadhikaaram says.... "»¡Â¢Ú §À¡üÚÐõ" praying the Sun-God.

During the Pongal-Festival celebrated for four days, the Gratitude is paid thus....

Sun: People inaugurate cooking the newly harvested Rice and offer it to SUN-GOD as a mark of GRATITUDE for ensuring a good harvest.

Workers: All the workers are GRATEFULLY HONOURED presenting New clothes to them along with their Families.

Bullocks: On an exclusive day in the name of "Maattu-Pongal" the Bulls and Cows are well-decorated and worshipped as also GRATEFULLY HONOURED.... for their co-operative role in Agriculture as well as their Day to day Life.

Calfs: On another day in the name of "Kannu-Pongal" the Calfs are decorated and allowed to play freely as a mark of GRATITUDE...

Menfolks: Ladies express their GRATITUDE and Honour the Men-folks, especially their Brothers for duly performing their duties by means of hardwork. Kannu-Pongal is also another significant day... since some people call it as "KAANHUM-PONGAL" when all the Human-beings who caused Setbacks, Shortcomings and Hurt-feelings during the past whole year, are forgiven and such unpalatable instances forgotten... ensuring the remnant Good-Deeds of others only are brought to Reminiscense on that day.... culminating in the GRATEFUL Revival of Friendship and Good Human-Relations. Symbolically all the old and torn clothings and scrapped articles of the House are disposed off either by burning or giving off to the needy or cleared out. Such a healthy turn of Mind towards the fellow-men even leads to new transactions or Marriage or the like towards mutual advancement of the whole Society en masse...

Even though the sense of GRATITUDE is one of the Fundamental Virtues as well as the Rudimentary Human-Culture for any section of the Global Society,... this factor has been accentuated to the highest degree in the Tamilian-Culture.... as ordained in their Life-Codes and further highlighted in the Tamil Literature.

For Example ....

¿ýÈ¢ ´ÕÅÕìÌî ¦ºö¾ì¸¡ø «ó¿ýÈ¢
±ýÚ ¾Õí¦¸¡ø ±ý §Åñ¼¡ - ¿¢ýÚ
¾Çá ÅÇ÷ ¦¾íÌ ¾¡û ¯ñ¼ ¿£¨Ãò
¾¨Ä¡§Ä ¾¡ý ¾Õ¾Ä¡ø.

If we do good to others, we need not bother as to when we can get the due return. The Cocanut Tree pays back its Gratitude through its Head to Mankind who fed at its feet.

¾¢¨ÉòШ½ ¿ýÈ¢ ¦ºö¢ý À¨Éò Ш½ §ÅûÅ¢ôÀÂý.

If we do good to others upto the quantum of even just one Grain ... it will fetch back to us to a multi-fold extent as much as the Result of performing a Yaga reciprocally.

±ý ¿ýÈ¢ ¦¸¡ýÈ¡÷ìÌõ ¯ö× ¯ñ¼¡õ, ¯öÅ¢ø¨Ä ¦ºö ¿ýÈ¢ ¦¸¡ýÈ Á¸üÌ.

Any worse Sin may be conceded towards an Acquittal but not the crime of In-Gratitude.

¿ýÈ¢ ÁÈôÀÐ ¿ýÈýÚ ¿ýÈøÄÐ «ý§È ÁÈôÀÐ ¿ýÚ.

It is Good to forget the improper deeds on the same day of occurrence but not the sense of Gratitude.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Very good info, thanks one and all

[HedgeYourBets]

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º¢Ä÷ ÜÚ¸¢ýÈÉ÷... "Á¡É¢¼-º¡øÒ, «ýÒ-ÀñÀ¢ü§¸ Ó¾ý¨Á, Á¡¾÷-¸üÒ, Å¡ö¨Á¢ø àö¨Á, §Á§Ä¡í¸¢Â ¿ýÈ¢-¯½÷×, ºÓ¾¡Â-§¿¡ìÌ, §À¡ýÈ...

.. ¾Á¢ú-ÀñÀ¡ðÊý ¾¨Ä¡ ¦¿È¢¸û ¾ü¸¡Ä ÝÆÖìÌ ¦À¡Õó¾¡...

...«¾¢Öõ ÌÈ¢ôÀ¡¸ §ÅüÚ ¿¡ð椀 Á¡üÈ¡÷ ¸Ä¡îº¡Ãò§¾¡Î ´ýÈ¢ Å¡Øõ ¿¢¨Ä¢ø ¯û§Ç¡÷ìÌ «¨Å «ÛÀÅ-º¡ò¾¢Âõ þø¨Ä.... þ측Äò¾¢üÌ ´ùÅ¡¾É...

...¬É¡ø «ò¾¨¸Â Á¡É¢¼-§¸¡ðÀ¡Î¸û þÄ츢 ͨÅ¡¸ ÁðΧÁ ú¢ì¸ ¾ì¸¨Å...

...Óü¸¡Ä ¾Á¢Æ÷ Å¡ú-¦¿È¢ ¸ÕòРͨÅ¡¸ Õº¢ì¸ ¾ì¸¨Å"...

...ÍÕí¸ ÜÈ¢ý... «¨Å ¡×õ ²ðÎ-ͨÃ측ö, ¸È¢ìÌ ¯¾Å¡Ð"... ±ý¸¢ýÈÉ÷.

þì¸ÕòÐ ¯¸ó¾¾¡?... ²ü¸ ¾ì¸¾¡?

´ù¦Å¡ýÈ¡¸ ¸¡ñ§À¡õ.... Ӿġž¡¸...

...¾Á¢ú- þÄ츢Âí¸û ŨÃÂÚìÌõ Á¡ó¾÷-º¡øÒ ¾ü¸¡Äò¾¢üÌ ²üÒ¨¼Â¾¡?

þɢ ¿øÄýÀ÷¸§Ç.!! ÜÚí¸û.!.. þ째ûÅ¢ìÌ ¯í¸û Å¢¨¼ ±ýÉ?...

...þÐ ÀüÈ¢ ¯í¸û ÌÆ󨾸ÙìÌ ±ýÉ ÜÈ Å¢ÕõÒ¸¢È£÷¸û?

¯¾¡Ã½Á¡¸.... ¾¢ÕìÌÈû ŨÃÂÚìÌõ ¦¿È¢...

þýÉ¡ ¦ºö¾¡÷ìÌõ þɢ§Š¦ºö¡측ø
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[PhillipHer]

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.யாதும் ஊரே.! யாவரும் கேளிர்.!!!....

..தமிழ்-இலக்கியங்கள் வரையறுக்கும் மானிட பண்பு.


..இன்றைய உலகில் கேலி-கூத்து ஆனதா.?...

தற்கால சூழலுக்கு பொருந்தாத ஏட்டு-சுரைக்காயா... பரந்த கண்ணோட்டம் கொண்ட தமிழ் இலக்கிய நெறி.?

இலக்கிய உரையாடல் (Literature Discussions)...

....அரசியல் உரையாடல் அல்ல.! (Not a Political discussion..)

...பட்டி-மன்றமும் அல்ல (Nor the Debate.!)

தங்கள் நற்சிந்தனைகளை இங்கே பரிமாறி விருந்து படைக்க அழைக்கிறேன்.!

.வருக அன்பர்களே.! பங்கு கொண்டு... தமிழ்-இன்பம் தருக.! பெறுக.!
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