[Drugmachine]

In the case of a yogic samaadhi entombment for a yogi/siddha, it is customary to dig a crypt. Sometimes the pit would be lined with cement of mortar or stone planks. The body would be placed inside in a seated posture. Then crypt would be filled with a mixture of salt, charcoal powder, turmeric powder, camphor, sandalwood, akil, nutmeg, cloves, cardomam and other fragrant objects. Navarathnam, etc., is also put inside sometimes. But that can give rise to grave robbery and desecration of the crypt. Then a plank stone would be placed on top. Over that a Sivalingam used to installed.

[Ifroham4]

To continue with the Kandhar Shashti Kavacam....

The next line is

'Aavinankudi vaalz alazhagiya vElaa'

'Aavinankudi' is another name for Palzani. It is also known as 'Podhini'.

It is a very ancient place. It is mentioned in the Sanggam Literature.

[NeroASERCH]

There is an old veNbaa which serves as a sort of mnemonic about the vaious works which compose the 'ettu thogai'.

Perhaps it would be good if I give the verse in Romanised Tamil?

'naRRiNai', nalla 'kuRundhogai', 'aingguRunURu',
oththa 'padhiRRuppaththu', Onggu 'paripaadal',
kaRRaRindhaar Eththum 'kali'yOdu 'agam', 'puRam', enRu
iththiRaththa 'ettuth thogai'

Those names within inverted commas are the .Eight Anthologies'.

So....you see, paripaadal is elevated with the addition of an accolade of 'Onggu'.

Paripaadal is further eulogised with this:

canggam ennum thungga mali kadaluL
aridhin elzundha paripaattu amudham.

Many people know about the puranic story about whipping the
Sea of Milk by the Devas and Asuras to obtain the Divine Nectar called Amirdham.

Amirdham is alluded to Paripaadal which has been obtained from the Sea of Canggam.

[PhillipHer]

[ There are a class of poetry known as the 8 anthologies and 10 songs.
Is this the ettuthokai and pathupattu?
Not wanting to divert the topic,but curious to know what these two deal with? Religion? King? Love?War?

[NeroASERCH]

There was one occasion when the wife of a SriVaishnava disciple, suffered from ?obstructed labour. When the SwamigaL was informed of this, he sang on his own -

thanajayan iradham Ottum saaradhi thanai thyaanikkath
thanancayap perumaaL kaakkum thaiyalmEl karuNai seydhu
thanancayan ennum baalan tharaNiyil piRakkaveNNIth
thanacayan uthaikkap piLLai salaththudan piRandhaananRE!

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Usually the SwamigaL would sing particular Thiruppugalz hymns to suit the circumstances. But this is one of the rare occassions wherein he sang an aasukavi a poem that is composed spontaneously without thinking or hesitation..

The above type of kavi is known as madakku. The word 'thanancayan gets repeated four times.

In this he prays to Lord Krishna/Vishnu to bless so that the vaayu Thanancayan would kick the baby called Thanacayan, out with the amniotic fluid, out to be born into the world.

In Ayurveda system, it is said that there 10 types of 'vaayu's called 'Dasa Maha Vaayu's. They are supposed to be the activating forces of systems like the sympathetic, parasympathetic, respiration, metabolism, peristalsis, labour, etc. Of these 'Dasa Maha Vaayu's, the vaayu 'Dhanajaya' is responsible for labour and child birth.

Thats why the SwamigaL invoked Krihsna, the chariot driver of Dananjaya - Arjuna to activate the 'Dananjaya' vaayu to dispel the baby out which was going to be called Thanancayan.

The birth took place without any difficulty.
And the grateful father named the baby - 'Thanancayan'.

He sang it in the past tense. He was sure that it was going to effectively happen.
Such was his faith, confidence and power.

[Slonopotam845]

Thus VaLLimalai SwamigaL attained Eternity.

His life's mission has been carried onwards by Sengalvaraaya PiLLai, ThiruMuruga Krupaanandha Vaariyaar, DMKrishnasamy Aiyer and many other organisations.

And Thiruppugal itself lives on in musical concerts and Thirumurai recitations.

[Big A]

Paripaadal is a collection of songs which have been composed by various poets.

The number of Paripaadals must have been large. But quite a lot has been lost.

What we have today is a meagre number - just a mere twenty-two songs.

They have been sung by a total of thirteen poets.

The songs are unique in the sense that they have been sung. Not recited like the other works.

Each song has been composed by one set of poets; but the tunes to the songs have been set by a dfifferent set of poets/musicians. Ten poet/musicians have set the tunes.

The songs have been dedicated to:

Thirumaal - 6
Murugan - 8
The River Vaigai - 8

The places which receive mention are Madurai, ThirupparanggunRam, Vaigai River, and Thirumaaliruncholai.

These songs reveal a lot of factual details about the Age and the environment which were prevailing at the time.

They also differ from other Sanggam poetry in an important sense, i.e., they have been dedicated to gods and they are Theological in nature.

I dont know whether there are exhaustive descriptions about each piece of Sanggam Literature in the Web. I know that the text versions are available. But what about the descritions? Commentaries? Meanings? Analysis? Research?

[softy54534]

In 1944, a young boy met him. His name was Sethuraman. One day when his family had gone to Palzani, the boy Sethu was told to stay in Madras with the SwamigaL. The SwamigaL told him the Thiruppugalz hymn, 'madhiyaal viththaganaagi' and that was his upadEsam. Later on, Sethuraman became an aruL kavi and took up sannyasam from Parthasarathi SwamigaL of Vaishnavi Temple. He became Swami Sadhu Ram. By that time, Parthasarathi himself had become a sannyasi.

In the year 1950, after the SwamigaL had incorporated his everything into Vaishnavi of Then Thiru Mullai Vaayil, he went to ThiruththaNi and made his customery worship on the Brahmotsavam with the offering of a thirumaanggalyam and pottu on the eighth day - VaLLi ThirumaNam.

Then he went to Thiruvaarur, where there had been no rain for many months and a famine resulted.

As he was fragile, he sent his disciples to the sannidhi where a thousand and two hundred years ago, Sundaramurthi Nayanar had sang his famous hymn, 'miiLaa adimai' and asked the disciples to sing that hymn there. Then he told them to sing the Thiruvaaruur Thiruppugalz song, 'karamu muLariyin' at the sannidhi of Murugan. Before the singing ended, rain clouds gathered and it rained heavily for the whole night. The SwamigaL was staying in an old dilapidated house and in the heavy downpour it was in a state of collapse. But somehow, it stayed intact and the SwamigaL was safe.

When Maharishi Ramanar was very ill, the Swamigal started for ThiruvaNNaamalai. On the way, he was almost run over by a train carriage. But suddenly he was saved miraculously.

Precisely at that moment, the soul of the Maharishi departed.

Everyone saw a brilliant light which traversed the sky.

The SwamigaL stayed in Thiruvannaamalai until the samaadhi kriyas were over. Thus he paid his last respects to the Maharshi who had been his guide who guided him to his own Guru - Seshadri SwamigaL. And also corrected his Thiruppugalz singing and instructed about its meanings to the SwamigaL who was only semiliterate at that time.

When he reached Madras, he performed the Mokshah Diipam, Mandalaabhishekam, anna dhaanam, and Thiruppugalz paaraayaNam for the Maharishi, in the Kachchaaliisvarar Temple.

[Lt_Apple]

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[Peptobismol]

hi

[Lillie_Steins]

The Paripaadals are another unique group of literature.

Not only the diction is good, they were also sung to tunes.

They must have been set to the scales of various types of lutes, harps, flutes which were in existance in those days.

We would'nt know a lot of facts about these things. But we can surmise somewhat, if we draw parallels with contemporaneous things which were found among the Ancient Greeks.

[Peptobismol]

To whoever passes by...........

This is a thread that is devoted to Kandhar Shashti Kavacam and we are dealing with it in detail with all its ramifications.

Thr Forumhub has a notorious name that any thread which is started in earnest can be forced to be abandoned.

I myself have abandoned several threads on history, sastras, ancient poetry and poets, occultism, etc.
I had made more than 400 contributions by that time.

I was forced to abandon them altogether.

Let us hope that Kandha Shashti Kavacam does not meet the same fate.

These activities cost money, effort, physical pain and exertion, and above all precious time.

I operate two PC's at two different places - my own. I pay my own internet bills and also telephone bills and electricity bills.

And my library back-up is my own, costing a pretty buck.

And my research and studies have been made by me in my own little free-time available from my busy and demanding profession.

Let there be no nonsense!!!

[Big A]

Topic started by murugadas (@ 210.186.103.32) on Sun Nov 11 17:38:58 .


This thread is an off-shoot from the thread 'Meaning of Name' Sengalvaraya.
It was thought more appropriate to treat it as separate thread.

[TorryJens]

Siddhas and yogis have the power to go into states of suspended animation. They attain temporary sammadhi states. Their bodily activities will become imperceptible. But the soul will be somewhere in their bodies. Sometimes they remove their sould from the body and go outside. Then they would reenter the body.

Just below the uchchanthalai is a very subtle opening. It is called the Brahmarandra. It is otherwise known as the 'dasama dvaara' - the 10th aperture. Why 10th? All are aware of the 9 dvaaras - 'aindhu kallaal oru kOttai; andha aanandha kOttaikku onbathu vaasal' as is mentioned in 'nondi chinhu'. The 9 dvaaras are 2 nostrils, 2 ears, 2 eyes, 1 mouth, 1anus, 1 urethal/sexual opening.

When siddhas and yogis finish their mundane existance, their soul leaves the body ideally through the Brahmarandra. Or through any of the orifices in the head. This is called 'Kapaala MOksha'. When activities cease in the body of the siddha/yogi, the disciples usually take a coconut and break it upon the top of the head to open the Brahmarandra and allow the soul to depart. This is done as a rule for siddhas and yogis.

In the case of VaLLimalai SwamigaL, his fore-head opened automatically, ensuring the release of his soul.

[Peptobismol]

I forgot my user name and the password.

So I could not post anything.
This morning, it took me more than half hour to get a new password and log in.

May be the Forumhub chaps could sort of recognise me and let me in without this hassle of logging in or registering.

Some of these cities present certain certain people with golden keys as honorary citizens of the city.

[Lt_Apple]

Sanggam Literature is a body of literature that dates back about 2000 years. How long before that time, it started? This is one question that nobody is able to answer. The origins and past history are shrouded in mystery.

Tholkaappiyam is the earliest that we have. It is a mini-encyclopedia dealing with grammer, etc. It contains 1700 lines.

There are a class of poetry known as the 8 anthologies and 10 songs.
These belong to the Third Sanggam.
There were 3 Sanggams altogether.

More than 2000 poems are extant now in this body of literature.

[9mm_fan]

There is another form which is called 'Jiva Samaadhi'.

A siddha or yogi decides the date that he wants to go into samaadhi.

A crypt would be dug and it would be lined with plank stones.

On the specified date and time, the siddha/yogi would descend into the pit. Then it would be filled with aromatic powders and medicinal powders. Many a times it would not be filled with anything. The top plank stone would be closed. The Siddha would subdue all his life support and life activities. Some siddhas would ask the disciples to open the crypt and see the condition of the body after forty eight days. Usually the body would be intact. Then it would be closed back again.

If the body is intact, the jiivasamaadhi is treated like a place of worship.

[S.T.D.]

I dont know what happened to my other identity.

I am not able to log in with that.

This filtration system must be meant for mugamuudis and spammers, flamers, and those people who write all sort of funny things and obscenities.

Too bad Murugadas got caught up in that filter

[radikal]

To continue with the Kandhar Shashti Kavacam....

The next line is,

'Aavinankudi vaalz alazhagiya vElaa'

'Aavinankudi' is another name for Palzani. It is also known as 'Podhini'.

It is a very ancient place. It is mentioned in the Sanggam Literature.

[radikal]

Other pujas would be held for 48 days and every year Guru Pujai would be held.