[NeroASERCH]

Dear Thiru Nedunchezhian,

Eventhough theivam / eraivan have meaning as king all forefathers / the death people were worshipped for remembrance of their heroic deeds which would induce youngers to excell well in life. Later they were worshipped in "Nadukal vazhipadu". Tamils of Thiruvalluvar days had the belief that their ancestors would protect them in their hardships.

Apart from "Nadugal worship" there were natural god worshippers.
Inthiran(marutha nilam), Varunan (sea land),Mayon(now thirumal), Kotravai, Murugan were gods of 5 lands of tamil culture. I have already expressed this in "Tamil is elder to Sanskrit" column quoting (1250 BCE) Tholkappiam.

"Meen" word created from "Min" root. Things which had "Minnuthal" tendency was named as meen. Vinmeen is one of that word. And since tamil invented "marakkalam" they got stronghold of sea roots and they were called "thiraiyar". Thirai means "alai". You can observe in all meditaranean sea languages this word 'meen' introduced by tamils. Kindly visit "Some tamil words in world languages" column.

For 'three' evolution kindly visit 'Amateur etymology' column in English literature.

I have already talked about the word "Pakavan"- in "thinamum oru vaarththai" column. Pakavu means 'olirvu'. Pakattu is from this root turned pattu - a silk saree. Pakavan specifies 'Suriyan" a natural god of tamils. The earth is based on Pakavan. That is why valluvar talks about that. Suriyan in turn is tamil word from root 'Sur'. Suram,suraththal are from this root.

Dear Nedunchezhian, due to Atheist movement in tamilNadu this kind of queries came into your mind. Actually during valluvar time tamils worshipped natural gods. We have to take all the meaning of kurals in that perspective only. Not vedhic idol worship pattern.
Infact the Idol worship came into being later by the influence of tamil natural gods worshipping.

f.s.gandhi

[Fegasderty]

Solomon, please don't post the same text all over the place. It make discussion difficult. Once is enough.

Pls continue here: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...=147020#147020

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

deva/deiva/theivam, is the root for these the tamil word thee (fire), it is clearly known that we were all nature worshippers, and fire was one of the most sacred (scared too) item of worship, not just in Indian context but else where too. So is it likely that the fire worship resulted in the words deva/deiva/theivam ?

[TorryJens]

About the root of names of the trinity of hindu gods,

Siva (from sivapu 'red' in tamil, the rig translation of it to Rudra (rud, root for red in all IE)is the excellent evidence for it

Narayanan, 'neer' means water in tamil, neeranavan, neerayanam...definetly the root is water

Brahma, this word does not seem to be (atleast to me) like having a tamil root, infact a lot of words in vedic like brahman, brahmin..... seems to be related to it. Brahma is associated to the creation. Was this concept of a necessary creator existing is per vedic, tamil hindu culture ?
The semitic religions have a fixation on creation/creator, so is Brahma some kind of pre semitism introduced by vedic aryans to tamil culture.

[softy54534]

Brahma, this word does not seem to be (atleast to me) like having a tamil root piRa = be born, piRappiththal = to give birth, to create as well as procreate.

piRa > bra > bramah.

-mah.: either a word ending or means mother or great. (tamil).

Explained with tamil roots, the meaning is strikingly reasonable and sound. Brings out the meaning well.

p changing to b , Ra changing ra and dropping "i" in the process is nothing new between Sans and Tamil.

Please also be informed that according to Abe Dubois, the French researcher of last century, the word may have come from (A-brah-am)
the prophet Abraham of the Old Testament bible. His theory is that Aryans came from the Middle East to India.

The other deity names you mentioned - you are right and there are authors saying so.

sivaththal - verb. (=become red).
siva +am > siva +(a)m > sivam.

It is the conclusion of Western etymologists that lexical borrowings from another langauge can occur in nouns and not verbs. When a word is directly derivable from a Tamil verbal root, it is definitely Tamil. Furthermore Siva is not an Aryan deity ; they adopted him later from the South.

niir > niiraayinan > naaraayinan: water-god. According to historians the original worshippers of this deity are the fishermen. Womenfolk of these men feared the seas and worshipped niiraayinan > naaraayanan.
Blue seas, blue skies , blue became his colour. (see Pazanthamizar vaRalaaRu by Prof. Ve.Thi. Chellam)

viN > viNNu > VishNu. (sky god). [ also of blue colour ]

Later a fusion took place between ViNNu, niiraayinan etc, and krishNA.
So is it likely that the fire worship resulted in the words deva/deiva/theivam ? The Latin word "deus" (masculine gender god has been traced to the Tamil word: "thEy" (=to rub against) Friction of stones cause fire.

thEy > thEv > thEvu > thEvan, >thEvi (fem.gen).
thEv > dev (northern languages).
thEy > thEvu > theyvu > theyvam. (Ta)..

The Middle Eastern religions had to progress through a web or multitude of tribal deities - often with conflicts - before eventually arriving at a single god theory. Often the religious leader's tribal god succeeded to become the chief or the only God, suppressing the rest or throwing them into oblivion. The single god emergence contributed to the incorporation of various tribes into one larger community. You may be able to come across books on these in your university or other libraries.

It appears that there were fire worshippers or those doing reverance to fire in Middle East. Such practices were almost always suppressed at great cost as related to devil worship by latter day religions. One would not expect to find any now. Niniveh might have been one of the places closely associated with fire worship.

[radikal]

Brahma, this word does not seem to be (atleast to me) like having a tamil root

piRa = be born, piRappiththal = to give birth, to create as well as procreate.

piRa > bra > bramah. Bramah is usually Tamilised as 'paraman' not 'piRaman' or 'piraman'. The Tamil root seems to be 'para' - (wide)

paramanaip paaduvaar adiyaarkku adiyEn... (Sundaramoorthy Nayanaar)

[S.T.D.]

paramanaip paaduvaar adiyaarkku adiyEn... (Sundaramoorthy Nayanaar) You are au fait with Tamil bakti ilakkiyam as I notice from your partaking in other threads.

Would you consider Manickavasagar to be referring to Sivan, Brahman or just the supreme being at large?

[Ifroham4]

paramanaip paaduvaar adiyaarkku adiyEn... (Sundaramoorthy Nayanaar)

You are au fait with Tamil bakti ilakkiyam as I notice from your partaking in other threads. No so, I am not so much into bakti. Just that I messed around too much with the Othuvars at Tank Road Temple here during my younger days - their singing keep ringing in me.

Would you consider Manickavasagar to be referring to Sivan, Brahman or just the supreme being at large? Manickavasagar - specifically? Thiruvasagam is classified "thOthiram" meaning 'devotional'. So you can see in it, concepts of supreme god Siva, attributes and description of Him, alongside praises filled with some episodes from puranas. More often Manickvasagar refer to Siva as the supreme being at large.

I will glance through my Thiruvasagam - perhaps the first three chapters and come up with quotes - we will see what Manickavagar says. Meanwhile two lines from him....

paraman kANka! pazhaiyOn kANka!
piramanmAl kANAp periyOn kANka!
---- thiruvandapaguthi - Thiruvasagam

Here piraman is lesser than paraman .....

back in a few hours with more lines

[Slonopotam845]

thank you idiappam sir! further research - please take your time. no hurry. In the meantime we shall enjoy with a few more words:


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uru + thiratchai + am (suffix) = urththiraatcham > uththiraatcham.

[9mm_fan]

Thiru F.S. Gandhi Vandayar

What does Charam in ThirukkOnech'charam' mean? Does it mean kOyil?

Would you be more clear about ur defintion for the word 'Sinthu?'

You have pointed out the word 'am.' Is 'am' some sort of prefix or suffix? as in am+A? am+pu, 'am'irtham, ampalam, amapal, ampaaram, ampaal, ampAL, ampi, ammam.
A Thamizh dictionary say am = azhagu, neer, megham, oru saariyai. What is a 'saariyai?' What is the importance of this word am?

You said most of the sanskirit used terms in the Thamizh temples come from Thamizh roots.
Kumbabishekam is called as kudamuzhukku. Does kumabishekam come from a Thamizh root word? (kumba abishekam?). Where does the word Abishekam come from? If its not Thamizh, what is the equivalent Thamizh form of that word?

nanRi
paNhivu

[brraverishhh]

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[TorryJens]

nanRi Thiru F.S.Gandhi Vandayar

I would like to know if using words like Abidekam and Kumbabidekam seem approrpiate and equivalent to the words Kudamuzhukku and anything alternative to Abidekam. It is perhaps the sanskiritizng of the Thamizh words that have made Thamizh people to think Thamizh words are Sanskirit. Even now most of the people, even in the media such as TVs, Radios and Newspapers say 'pooja' instead of 'poosai.'

There has been some problem with the word 'kONham.' Apparently a Thamizh Teacher I know, refuses that its Thamizh and point reference to this Dictionary released by Saiva Siththanthak Kazhagam and he say its not Thamizh and the word 'kONham' is Sanskirit. Can you provide more insight into the root of the word 'kONham?'

Are there any synonyms for the word 'kONham' which mean angle.

kONham is also used in the saying like 'muthat kONham, muttrum kONham' in that saying does kONham stand for curve line? or angular shape?

We are having a discussion about the Thamizh Dragon yALi (or yAzhi?) under the 'Is Tamil derived from Sanskirit?' topic. Please participate.

nanRi, PaNhivu

[9mm_fan]

Dear Thiru Solomon,

Tamil started with suttu oligal / vowels.That is a,e,u . ‘a,e,i,o,u’ are vowels as you know by English. These will have a, aa, e, ee, u, uu, o, oo,i apart from ae, aae, av, ah sounds which were present only in world ancient languages. In this ‘av’ and ‘ah’ sounds were predominantly in ancient languages.

All suttu oligal have meaning only in tamil not in any other language of world.

These suttu oligal formed extension in words.

Expanded words shrinked and tilted in its form formulating new dialects / new languages.

These shrinked words don’t have vowels at the beginning. But have consonants of later origin.

Tamil only can claim the root words since most of the Sanskrit words never start with vowels.

For example : Eravu – Raththiri

Eravu has ‘Iru’ root . This root formed the words ‘erumpu, irul, Irukku, Iruppu etc.

Tamil consonant starting words also have root in vowel starting words.

‘Sanku’ – sam+ku - ‘Sam’ is from ‘Am’ which formulated the word ‘ambalam’ where Am and sam has same meaning ‘club’.

You talked about common origin. If there is a common origin where is the common origin ? No symptoms of common origin prevalent in India.

You must understand Tamil history is related to world history. Hence talking tamil history shall not mean talking against any language / race.

f.s.gandhi

[Big A]

Dear solomon,

You wanted references and I gave them. All the owners of books are not wishful thinkers they provide lot of archeological and literary proofs to show that. Due to its length I could not elaborate it.

Words are main source of history telling and all the historians follow this.

You made funny of words separation. It has some concept supported by archelogical findings. Grammatical works shows clear picture of language formation and their history.

Comtemporary meaning and based on suttu olikal, Oru porul kilavikal supported by inscriptions are followed in language reserch.

You accept in one way and reject in another way seems to be contradictory in your views.

Your dating of panini doesn't have any proof. The first inscription of sanskrit language is during 8 the century A.D that too during pallava period and nowhere in India Sanskrit inscriptions found is the reality.

You talked about sanskrit influence present now in India and other countries. Sanskrit has latest origin and spread during radical change in vaishnava. Since it is latest its presence there. You know before 50 years tamil wrote in manipiravalam. Almost tamil extinct. But revived after sankam findings. It doesnot mean sanskrit is earlier is our point. Sanskrit literature contains tamil thoughts and is the offshoot of tamil is our arguement.

During Nayakkar period the latest kings before Bristish Telugu was used.Do you mean telugu is earlier ? British ruled India and the influence of English is there in India. Do you mean English is earlier?

Sindhu valley script never contains sanskrit words is the truth. After all sanskrit words words are shrinked form of tamil. A fully refained tamil nothing shrinked form of words are observed in sindhu valley and all world historians accept that no vedhic influence in sindhu valley. You are redirecting the views.

And in language also Paly-pragrid-sanskrit is the evolution. You redirecting this as Maxmuller way that sanskrit-pragrid-Paly which proved wrong by historians.

In someway you manage to get a place for sanskrit with false findings. It wont stand longterm base.

f.s.gandhi

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Dear Mr. Jaiganes,

In world history a significant breakthrough has been done by Mr.Maxmuller who identified ‘Indo – Europiean Group of languages’ in 19th century.

His strong belief is man movement in history can be identified through language analysis.

He has done, found out certain truth but ended with wrong conclusion. The thing is he has not analysed tamil / other Dravidian group / North Indian tribal languages.

Importantly north Indian tribal languages are nothing but tamil.

Whenever Indian history studies made Sanskrit is made forefront as if it exposes all Indian hereditary which is a wrong theory. It is 1800 years old unspoken language created only for Hothas / knowledge preservation purposes.

In this case we have to analyse which culture / language influenced this Sanskrit. That will bring you great light to the history.

Thevanayap pavanar started his career as English teacher went on reading English formation and at last he found tamil was the origin for all the languages in the world. He started the roots formation guided by Maxmuller / Galduwell.

My approach is based on that. Many books influenced this. I had an opportunity in my school days to study about various history books. If you want the listing it won’t complete the purpose.

All other Indian languages are phonetically transformed structure / dialects of tamil is real truth.

Knan paranchu / parayu (Malayalam) Na cheppinadu (telugu) which are Shrinkage of Naan parainthathu / Naan cheppiyathu.

Doorvaja Banthgae (Hindi) ‘Theruvasal poththunga’ (tamil)- ‘Kathava Moodunga’ (another dialect)

Doorvaja Kolagae (Hindi) ‘Theruvasal Thoranga’ (tamil) ‘ Kathava Thiranga’ (another dialect)

Yahang Aav (Hindi) ‘Engae Vaa’ (tamil)

Kithap patna(Hindi) 'Puththakam padi'

My purpose is to intiate this vision to masses. People will find out lot of things / truths behind it (including the language pandits.)

f.s.gandhi

[S.T.D.]

Now all historians of world talk about tamil and world history.

Indians talk about sanskrit. No longer they can talk about that.

But indian tamil pandits talk about sanskrit derived words of tamil.
They want to purify tamil,thinking that sanskrit is alien from tamil.

Sanskrit is evolved from tamil. Sanskrit words roots are in tamil.

Tamil pandits classify some words having sound like sanskrit as sanskrit words. For example,

ISHtam,KaSHtam,KuSHtam,NaSHtam,PuSHpam, PaSHpam.

These words are not in literary sanskrit is apparent truth. Ask any sanskrity pandit.

Ishtam-Ittam-idu+am- idu means oneway drop,oneway thinking,persons own view.

Kashtam-kattam-kadu+am, kadu means show restriction,disapproval,angry- like in a square -restricted border,an unrelieved pain

Nashtam- Nattam-natu- means once you pierce it,it should not be taken out - once you do it you can not get return.

Kushtam-kuttam-kudu-kuttai- short - when body elements are short kushtam happens.

Pushpam-putpam-pudu-pidu- take out (Sanskrit word is there)

Paspam-patpam-padu- near floor- shorten - empty

Sometimes tamil pandits boastfully tell that all tamil words changed purposefully as sanskrit words.

Kumbakonam- kudamooku
Kabisthalam-Kurangaduthurai
Mayuram-Mayiladuthurai
Vedharnyam-Maraikadu
Mirugam-Vilangu

Right hand words are tamil as according to tamilpandits.

Kumbakonam-Kumbam+konam- Kumi+am+konam-kuvi+kone-kuvi+ucchi

Kabistalam- kavi+talam-Kavvi+talam- Kavvi a name of monkey based on its mouth. Note patti for Nai(dog), arima for singam(lion)

Mayuram- mayur+am, mai+Oori+am- colour pickled(colour mixed) an another name for mayil

Vedharnyam-vedham+aranyam-veithal+am+aranyam- 'Koorai veithal-kuraiyal maraithal, araniyam-aran- border or kadu was border in olden days.

mirugam- miru+kam- miru-miratchi-payam+angry feeling.

Some tamil words slightly turned and sound like sanskrit. They are not sanskrit words. But tamil pandits say these are sanskrit words.

Pati-pti-Prathi

Payanam-pyanam-prayanam

Agathuman-Aathuman- Athma

Vinnavam-vainavam-vaishnavam

Karkannan-karukannan-kruknan-krushnan

Paraman-piraman-Prahmman

Paramanar- piramanar-Brahminar

I am not criticising tamil pandits. But they have to understand the nature and rationality in the dialects and do best their search in language.

(will be continued)

f.s.gandhi

[Peptobismol]

//Aaram-saaram-saram is the evolution word saram. Saram means ‘Maalai’. Thiri + kone + Maalai = Thirikonemaalai turned thrikonemalai. Here Thiri = moontru / three. //

The word 'three' in English, did it come from a Latin or Greek root, which came from a Thamizh(Thiri) root?


nanRi, paNhivu

[LottiFurmann]

After a long time I am glad to watch your postings. Welcome back Thiru Nedunchezhian.

Aaram-saaram-saram is the evolution word saram. Saram means ‘Maalai’. Thiri + kone + Maalai = Thirikonemaalai turned thrikonemalai. Here Thiri = moontru / three.

The place in triangular point is Thirikonemalai. Thiri is tamil word and it is from Thiripu. I have written about that in ‘Amateur Etymology’ column. Maalai also means ‘Aran’ Which is the root of Araniyam.(means anything protects)

I have talked about ‘Inthu’ in ‘tamil is elder to Sanskrit column’.Kindly go through that.One of the meaning of Inthu is ‘Mathi’- arivu. Inthu-sinthu-sinthai came in this way.

Compare ‘Sinthanaith thuli’ . Inthu means also ‘cool water’. When cool water from Himalayan icecap came (sinthi varuthal) naturally the river was called sinthu.

‘Am’ is called root. Do not put it in your grammar mind. Roots are compared in all the languages for their comtemporary meaning. The words of having same root will have common meaning.

At the same time ‘Am’ in ‘Amarvu’, Amaithi & ambalam will have different meaning and ‘Am’ in Amma,Amutham & ampal because historic perspective also is to be taken care of in defining the root words.

Root words in colloquial language is natural and they formulate their own pattern. Words are caught up with one root of common meaning is the reality.

‘Am’ was ‘suttu oli’ when man created first his own word to specify water. It turned ‘amadu’ to specify Am+adu , a place near water / sea. You can club lot of words in this ‘Am’ root. ‘Sariyai’ means a word which is oriented to something (Charpu) and it can be prefix as in ‘Amadu’ and suffix in Kutram (Kutru + am).

I plan to write about the roots ‘ava,apa,avam,apam’ in this column as I earlier wrote about certain Sanskrit words formation in this column after sometime.

Now we look into the word 'Abisehkam" Kumbam is synonym of Kudam and both are tamil words. Abi + Dekam. ‘Avi’ in tamil means things. In ancient days it meant ‘choru’. Later after rituals came into being ‘Avi’ specified ‘Velvipporul’ which are eatables especially. Avi turned abi. Dekam has root in ‘Okku-okam-Ekkam-Eekam’ to specify single (thanitha) / Muzhumaiyana / body especially the body of God.

When body of god is fully put into ritual bath with things of human intake it is called ‘Abidekam’ / Abishekam.

Explore more Thiru. Nedunchezhian. No restriction of Grammar- After all grammars are formulated by us. Historical and natural evolution of words should be observed.

f.s.gandhi

[TorryJens]

I request you to kindly read my poing in Tamil Elder forum in reply to your Lies.

Carbon 14 dating started only in 20th Cen middle and you say Saraswathi Mahal has 19th Cen test proofs- I leave you with these statements.

Now when you donot have facts, then you start meaningless talks calling RSS views,
-When Sunami attacked Tamilnadu, the first to come resque was RSS and as per Site Informations - One Third of the Total affected Dead Bodies were disposed by RSS Sevaks, the pity is when most of the affected is either Tourists at Spas or Kuppam people, but the People who visited as Tourists and Devotions to Velankanni Temple- 2000 were Dead, where as the SANTHOME Archbishop made another statement of SUNAMI- AS Thomas tomb remained in Mylapur, the place was not affected. And all our Tamil Dravidan TVs took Pain not to show RSS Sevaks, whereas watching NDTV or Aajtak etc., proved all this.

When M.Deivanayagam took the dubious researches of KA.SU.Pillai, MaraimalaiAdigal and others and submiited and received a PHD, saying Entire Tamil Literature- Tirukural, Paripadal, KAlithogai. Thirumurugatrupadai ,Saiva sithanthangal etc., are influenced rather Valluvar copied Bible and all were developed later under Bible infleunce by Thomas' alleged visit. His books had blessings of all major churches, rather Mylapur Archbishop funded them, and I quote Deivanayagam in his first book- Tiruvalluvar Christhuvara?, which had an Aninthurai by Mu.Karunanithi and released by Anbalagan if I remember correct in 1969..
"Valluvar KAPPIYADITHAR ENAK kOOR ENTHATH tAMILANUM MUNVARA MATTAN, ANAL vIRUPPU Veruppu indri Aybavargal thangal Aayvin mudivil Varum karuthugalai veliyida pinvanginal avargal unmai aiyvalargal allar- Pa 131. "
" Christhuvamagihiya Malaiil irunthu Edukkappatta Aramagia Karungal Tamilagiya Gangayil .... Page- 173'
And his gang has received 5 or 6 phd, mphil etc., where as now we know the above statements are Lies to the core. Devaneyan's quotations have been used his final work, Phd Thesis to attack the Tamil's Aborgins.
This research has been going on from Late 50s, and Devaneyan did not Utter a single word to my Knowledge against this Project.
Friends, it is an RSS GROUP maintain a WEBSITE- www.hamsa.organd gives the total news on the frauds of the Thomas visit humbugs., and FSG now you quote this Gentleman to couch your misleading claims.
Almost entire work of Scholars of 20th Cen, now needs to be rejected as Sangam Period is now dated to end around 30-20BCE, and Kalapirar rule in 1st and 2ndCen, and Pallavas coming in around 190CE.
Quoting Obsolete books is of no use.

You were always claiming having dating done for Tamil & Sanskrit literatures and please give those here or to all the Encyclopedias- as Britanica, americana, CHambers, Cromptons etc.,

Now Tell me the names of Universities that follow, which you claim follow and research and YOUr misleading claims.

Please explains your views with proofs instead of trying to meaninglessly Punctur my arguments, Let facts come in open and not false claims.
MosesMohammedSolomon

[Slonopotam845]

Dear friends,

'Param' root -Sanskrit words (continuation)

Param is pronounced as ‘P’ram / Piram in Sanskrit.

Prathapam – Param + Thapam – Thapam has root in ‘Thavu’ – Thaavam – Thapam & Thavaram are old words When man lived in forests and Thaavam means forest fire.

Prathapam means uncontrollable courage like fire.

Prathanam- Param +Thanam – Thanam specifies place. Than – Thaan – is the root. Thaniyam is another word from this root. Prathanam means ‘Muthal edam’

Prathani – Param + Thani – First person – ‘Muthanmaiyanavar’

Prathisi – Param + Thisai – Gods’ place / direction – means ‘West’.

Prathesam- Param + Theyam – Theyam – Thesam.- Gods’ place – People’s place was called in that way.

Prapantham- Param + Pantham – Pantham means ‘varisai’ / Ozungu / relation – Note panthi specifies the same meaning. Prapantham means ‘Nool varisai’

Praphaharan- Param + Akaran – Akaran means ‘Thodakka manavan’ like tamil first alphabet ‘A’

Prapalam – ‘ Valiyulla’ / pukazulla- Param +palam- palam is from ‘valam’ to specify ‘valimai’

Prabu – Param- Paramu- Pramu- Prabu

Prapavam- Famous / Pukazh - Param + Avam – Avam is from ‘avai’

Prapuththan – yount intelligent man – Param + paththan - Paththan is from ‘paththai’ means ‘containing lot of ‘. Paththan – who interconnect / create arts. Paththathi – ‘neri nool’

Pramachariyam – Param +Chaariyam – ‘Kadavulaich chaarntha’ - Belonging to god – unmarried / not belonging to this world life.

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