[Fegasderty]

Kannan oru kai kuzandhai - I think was written by Valee only

IR must thank Valee for writing a lovely song for him as this was his first movie .

7 pirappum inanindhirukkum sondhamindha sondhamamma

Vazvirukkum naal varaikkum , Thanjam undhan nenjamammaa.

Gayathri mandirathai ucharikkum bakthanamma ( incidentally, Ranichandra's name was Gayathri in Badrakali ). Thats Valee's presence of mind

I think the same valee also wrote - Raja kayya vecha athu wronga ponadhillay . This is in praise of IR only !!!

Raja raja rajadhi rajan indha raaja - Who wrote it ? is it valee or Gangai ?

[HedgeYourBets]

Hello Sharadha,

By the way, you have an indepth info on Valee and Shivaji. Hats off. Keep it up

I was thinking high about Shivaji and Valee. I admit now that there is another competitor for me !!

[Slonopotam845]

After kannadasan, its definitely Valee.

The beauty about Valee is that you can call him

After Kannadasan
After Vairamuthy
After Pa Vijay

The reason is he has done what Kannadasan has done (specially MGR thathuva paadalgal) he has done what Vairamuthu has done (pure poetic tamil), he has done what Pa Vijay has done (simple but yet meaningful tamil). More over he can do what he is best at, mix and match. If ARR and Surya is inviting him to write lyrics for New and Aa Aah, that simply shows what an unimaginable imagination he must have.

[PhillipHer]

rathiriyil poothirukkum was by pulamai pithan

[radikal]

By the way,

Yaarai nambi naan porandhen pongada ponga - Shivaji / TMS from Enga uru Raaja

Who wrote that ??

Is it Valee or Kannadasan

Hello saradhaji,

Quoting my own reference !!

I love those words :

Pettiyilay panamilay , petha pullay sondhamillay !!!

Paanayilay sorirundhaa , ponaigalum sondhamadaa !!!

Wonderful words . It must be Valee. He only can write sarcastically like that

[Fegasderty]

Mr. Manisekaran...

There is no doubt 'Padakotti' (1964) songs brought valee to a bright light, by the way that it is a MGR film. But Valee's name was fame and his songs were talked by people before one year when Karpagam was released in 1963.

There is a real story narrated by K.S.Gopalakrishnan in Kumudham (weekly), how he brought Valee in Karpagam to write all four songs. Before 'Karpagam' KSG gave a big hit movie 'Saradha'. In 100th day function of saradha, Kannadasan mentioned that the victory of Saradha is because of his songs only. KSG got angry on KD and decided to give a hit movie without KD's songs. He told MSV to suggest a lyric writer for his next movie Karpagam. MSV, eventhough best friend of Kannadasan, introdced Valee to KSG. On hearing the first song Valee wrote (aayiram iravugal varuvadhundu), KSG told Valee to write all songs for Karpagam.

"Karpagam" became great hit and run more than 100 days in several cities in TN. Then Kannadasan met KSG in a studio and appreciated him, "You proved that you can give a bit hit wihout my songs. Good. For your next film "Siththi" I will write all the songs". All songs of Kannadasan in 'Siththi' was also became famous among people.

After Valee joined with MGR and how he grew was a well known history.

[Big A]

yov idhu enna chat foruma illa discussion foruma??? neenga rendu paer mattum pesikittuirukinga????

hey nice posting both of u.....but one thing i found very hurting is u guys think 1983(the year i was born) was the end of creativity in Tamil cinema???? no i wud like to object to this.......
then wat abt Nayagan which came after that????
wat abt Roja which identified a true villain in pakistani terrorists to whole Indian cinema????
wat abt entry of ARRahman, the best Asian composer of our times (as claimed by Mumbai mirror paper)
wat abt entry of selvaraghavan/bala with their hard-hitting natural movies

see u guys grew up watching BR,IR,Mahendran so u think they r the best but for me MR,ARR,Shankar,Selvaraghavan r THE people......so pls dunt generalise things saying 1980 is the only decade where intelligent ppl. lived.......

i thought i had to reply cos i felt it was my era of stars getting insulted......
8)

Dear Maddy,

Me and Sharadhajiii are not old enough yet !!!

What we are concerned is the lack of quality and commitment to the job

Yes, Maniratnam was the last of the previous list of greats and he only did the movie - Nayagan.
The same MR only did Roja also . MR is the last of the previous list of greats

The only guy whom I feel is doing a good job is - CHERAN

I loved his Autograph and Pandavar Boomi and also vetrikodi kattu.

Quite a thinking director.

[Lt_Apple]

Valee has multiple faces - he can write love songs, sentimental songs, kolgai parappu songs for MGR, songs like Raja kayya vecha also etc etc

VM is somewhat serious character and a core subject oriented guy.

[softy54534]

Vairamuthu's - Manitha manitha naalai un naalay ( roja ) is a nice song.

Again - Andhi mazai pozigirathu - Nice wordings

He is also equally good .

[S.T.D.]

NJV,

Point taken.

Valee's strengths are - He can address all types of songs.

Thin line of difference between Kannadasan and Valee . KD had given thought provoking songs. Valee also had given through MGR.

Valee had variety.

Not sure about Vairamuthu. He is very poetic

[NeroASERCH]

All maniratnam movies for which IR scored music

before ROJA (Except Nayagan & pagal nilavu)

songs were by vaali

Agni natchathiram, Mouna ragam, Dalapathi,Anjali etc

[Beerinkol]

VMs famous ones :

1. manidha manidha eni un vizigal
2. Pon maalai pozudhu - especially kelvigalal velvigalai naan seiven
3. andhi mazai pozigiradhu
4. raasavay varuthamaa - it was a befitting song for Shivaji

one of the words - Aagayam surungumaa , suriyan karukkumaa

Nobodyelse would have given such a wording for Shivaji . Just took him to the highest level in a few words.
Thats the pen strength of VM

[radikal]

Anbulla Saradhaji,

If you see my initial threads , you will realise that I was in search of my old Golden IRs intial period songs - like :

1. Naan pesa vanthen , sollathan vaarthai illai
2. Devan thiruchabai malargalay
3. Kalangal
4. Pani vizum poo nilavay

You know the above are all composed by IR during the intial years ( i mean in the late 70s ) when he took every opportunity as a challenge and was proving all his critics wrong by composing memorable songs . I repeat memorable songs loaded with melodies.

Even the great IR subsequently changed his style and became a total instrumentalist in the mid 80s and in the process lost his melody.

Like this I can write a big history about BR and Mahendran

[NeroASERCH]

VM is rich in his imaginations!
"Pal mazhai ku kathirum boomiyallava, Pandikai ku kathirukum Sami allava".
"Kodi keethanamum, Kavi kortha varthaikalum thuli kanner pol artham tharumo".
Valee (from the little I've heard) is simple and to the point.
I like VM for his poetical richness.

[Fegasderty]

Dear Manisekharan,

Thank you for taking back by several years and giving us indepth study on the facts.

However, its very very difficult to identify which song is of Valee's and which one is Kannadasan's as both used the same style - very simple wording but catchy

[Fegasderty]

Originally Posted by S.Balaji Hello friends,

Who wrote songs for - Kai kodutha deivam

I love the song - Aayirathil oruthiyamma nee

Balaji..

All songs in 'Kaikodutha Dheivam' by Kannadasan, except one by Bharathiyar (Sindhu nadhiyin misai) Thank you Saradhaji. What a song it was

Penodu thonri penodu vaanzthum , penn manadhu ennavenru puriyavillayoo.

Kann enna kanoo , nenjenna nenjo , Kalangam solbavarku ullam illayoo.

Dear Madddy,

This is what precisely we are all missing now. Punch on the words and lyrics.

[radikal]

Manisekaran,

I quite enjoyed reading your post.

But everything you have said is before a guy named Vairamuthu was asked to write a song by Illayaraja and Bharathiraja.

The new kid Vairamuthtu wrote 'vaanam enakkoru bhothi maram. naalum athuvoru seethi tharum', which made even Kannadasan sit up and take notice.

The rest, as the cliche goes, is history.

Valee might have been the closest competitor for Kannadasan during his time-that's not a testtament of Valee's talent, but rather the lack of talent when compared to Kannadasan's during that time. But Valee can never replace Kannadasan or Vairamuthu. The only other cine-poet I hold in high regard is Pattukottai - sadly he died young.

All the others have written many good songs and some great songs. But that's it. Nothing comapred to Kannadasan and Vairamuthu who could turn a song for a stupid run of the mill cinema situation into a poetic gem.

AIMHO

[Beerinkol]

balaji,

IR's first film was annakili, badhrakali followed annaakili

KAnnan oru kai kuzhandhai - was the first Vaali's song for IR..

a beautiful song by KJY & P.Suseela

Raja rajadhi rajan from Agni natchathiram was by vaali

All songs from agninatchathiram wasby vaali

Dear Rajesh,

Thank you very much for your immediate feedback. I thought , Badrakali was the first assignment for IR but Annakili got released first before Badrakali ??? Is it true

I wonder whether Valee would have intentionally written those songs in praise of IR _ raja kayya vecha and raja rajadhi rajan indha raja

As valee is well known for his presence of mind

[Peptobismol]

balaji,

IR's first film was annakili, badhrakali followed annaakili

KAnnan oru kai kuzhandhai - was the first Vaali's song for IR..

a beautiful song by KJY & P.Suseela

Raja rajadhi rajan from Agni natchathiram was by vaali

All songs from agninatchathiram wasby vaali

[NeroASERCH]

By the way,

Yaarai nambi naan porandhen pongada ponga - Shivaji / TMS from Enga uru Raaja

Who wrote that ??

Is it Valee or Kannadasan