[LottiFurmann]

Of KR's compositions, I like Chellama Chellam/Kadhal Vanoli...but I suppose, I like them for lyrics as well.
But he needs an attitude change and certainly needs to reduce arrogance. Just because 'daddy' was a once upon a time big-shot doesn't mean you look down on others. I am happy to hear about him saying he liked Roja. Pleased to hear him admit to listening to Rahman finally


Maddy,
I am surprised that Vijay Antony would even be in a list that has the likes of Vidyasagar. The latter has done some excellent albums, though Tamil industry failed to use it. His Mallu albums from a few years back rocked. I guess he is staying away from Mallu for financial reasons.

Vijay Antony is just hype. His interview in newstodaynet.com(yesterday) contradicts his music. I liked Nenjaakootil from Dishoom. Otherwise, all other numbers paled. I know Dylamo was a hit, but then, so was O Podu

[LottiFurmann]

Maddy,
I am surprised that Vijay Antony would even be in a list that has the likes of Vidyasagar

but aruvi, i really respect him cos he is doin well without any support.....just compare him and KR......KR is a big flop case, we all know, he doesent want to work........still whole of IR's fans support him to the hilt and try to bring him as big as YSR.......still he falls flat , ippo sollunga vijay antony deserves some respect or not.....

[TorryJens]

MADDY MACHCHAN,

I have a question for you. Seems like you hate people getting opportunities because of someone close to the industry helping them. What about Sekar Kapur recommending your-MD for Bomaby Dreams? Didn't he get that opportunity because of the freindship he has with Sekar? What is your stand on that issue?

[NeroASERCH]

MADDY MACHCHAAN,

One more question for you. Mr. Manirathnam came to cine field without any experience and got opportunities just because his brother (GV) was a distributor and producer. So what is your stand on MR?

If you are not a hypocrite, you would have not accepted these people.

So tell me your honest answer.

[Fegasderty]

May be KR and YSR got an easy route to get into cine music field, but how they establish themselves is their own choice and not IR influence. YSR is faring better owing to his ambitious nature.

[Ifroham4]

and by the way, you can teach a trick not talent.

[PhillipHer]

Judge,

1) ARR's talent far outshines any film Shekar has done. It was his music in Dil Se that fascinated ALW and not his association with Shekar Kapur. By the time Bombay Dreams came in, ARR was a national icon and certainly international if you count his reach in other countries where Bollywood music is popular. Here is how recommendation works. IR gave Nanda to YSR. I doubt ALW was responsible for the other international projects ARR did, or will do in the future. ARR came up solely due to his work/talent.

2) When MR wanted to join the cine field, he didn't go to GV. He approached other producers and did small movies. He gave a blockbuster film in 86 and followed up with hits till 92. He as a director gained more popularity and GV was more popular as maniratnam's bro until Mani did films for him.

MR was lucky in the sense that he came in the 80s. One can overcome a couple of flops. But that's not the case nowadays, for anyone. I am surprised at the suggestion. GV as a producer became popular in the 90's, but pls correct me if I am wrong on that.

Musicislife,

Talent can be taught. Why else would we have horrible actors that are popular stars? It just takes about ten years to learn the trick. Then they become talented. It's just a fact that IR's children are in the field due to him and though YSR is popular(so was Deva at one time), the other 2 are surviving on his name. I am not questioning KR's musical knowledge, but his output as far as film songs are concerned, have never been appreciated by the mass. Likewise, that Bhavatharini is a poor singer is not a secret. But she won a national award. Goes to show, you don't really need much talent, at least, in today's film industry.

[Beerinkol]

I thought KR had sung the song "yedho yedho ondru " from teh movie Enakku 20 Unakku 18 music by ARR.Its not true?Someone pls clarify.

[Fegasderty]

MADDY MACHCHAN,
I have a question for you. Seems like you hate people getting opportunities because of someone close to the industry helping them. What about Sekar Kapur recommending your-MD for Bomaby Dreams? Didn't he get that opportunity because of the freindship he has with Sekar? What is your stand on that issue?

this is beautiful rephrasing of my past arguements in judge's words......adhu eppadi? "Seems like you hate people getting opportunities because of someone close to the industry helping them" ......see, i have problems with star kids.....got it , direct sons and daughters of great people.......they do have a big plus over others as they start way ahead of others.....i dunno whether u r in S/W or support projects, if u r, then picture this, ur manager's son joins as team lead, and u sitting as a team member for 3 years.....appa theriyum idhellam.......and dont laugh guys, it is going to happen in future.....this hereditary thing is going to enter all the fields including IT one day.....

if u r going to compare ARR's frndship with shekar kapur and YSR's blood relations with IR, then i really cannot reply.......moreover, i dunt get that angry on ppl. like Vivek oberoi,hrithik roshan, shahid kapur as their dads were not and are not as big as Amitabh,Ilayaraja or the kapoors and would not have been so influential like these 3.........i'll put Maniratnam in this category too, being brother of producer GV and son Venus ratnam is not a big thing....u know wat i mean?? infact GV and Mani grew during the same time and GV could not have helped Mani to build a career......

last point i have is-> YSR is a brilliant kid, no doubt but the time he took to settle down-> 3-4 years and survived just bcos he is IR's son, which is totally unfair advantage IMHO.....

[Lillie_Steins]

Aruvi
I dont agree, getting experienced is totally different having a talent or penchant of doing things, it should be naturally coming from within to creatively think differently. Probably we would be arguing it for ever, In my opinion NOBODY can teach talent, learning tricks hard way or easy way could be norm, but TALENT relies on more naturalistic instincts with a creative outset.

Getting introduced in a field especially like the ones in creative field is a herculean task, there are some times crucial circumstances, I dont agree to the fact that YSR is just liked coz of IR's son, he has got his own knack of getting to the public. KR has its style (may be IR'ish) owing to proximity and freedom. I will never compare them to ARR or IR. Let us not divulge on the fact that YSR is holding top charts with his recent string of movies, and would love to hear his songs with some amount of curiosity. As I had mentioned previously, coz of the TALENT, i would prioritize my curiosity to listen to IR followed by ARR followed by YSR (KR did not hold up that much for me, but when we talk of some good melodies and songs, i do like it).

Maddy
"I have problems with star kids"

You cannot help it, sometimes hard work of parents do help the kids. "Matha pitha karma makkalai saarum", you have to live with this. A person who emerges better in that the situation is much more remarkable.

[Drugmachine]

i dunno whether u r in S/W or support projects, if u r, then picture this, ur manager's son joins as team lead, and u sitting as a team member for 3 years.....appa theriyum idhellam.......and dont laugh guys, it is going to happen in future.....this hereditary thing is going to enter all the fields including IT one day..

Nice Analogy, but will that person sustain, but the weakness would be right away show-cased and will not be successful.

3-4 years to settle: why was there a dearth of Music Directors? or was it everybody else was busy, so it ultimately fell with the one who did not have that many projects in hand and was willing to do just to sustain

[Peptobismol]

"If somebody takes one decade to learn the trick
1. they will not be in the field
2. If they sustained for one decade (it has to do with either luck or talent)
3. You can be only lucky one or two times or opportunity knocks on the door a very few times. Grabbing it and holding on to it is all about timing.
4. You need to work-hard to keep it for "ten years" to your advantage. "

Is KR still not in the field? None of it applies to him, except perhaps having some talent. Yet those with more talent then him (YSR/BT) are still trying to find a foothold into the industry. He disappears and comes back. IR has done enough scouting and recommendation for all his kids.

YSR was introduced in 1996. He wasn't taken seriously till about 2002. I don't think any other MD can sustain that long without the tag of being IR's son.

The likes of Deva disappeared (talentless yet gave hits!, who at one time did 23 tamil films a year) when they didn't deliver hits. That is the life of people without strong backup.

Anyhow, as said, these 3 basically are there because they are IR's children. For all 3, I would say talent is secondary. Their last name is their fortune And I mean that as a compliment.

[tgs]

Judge,

1) ARR's talent far outshines any film Shekar has done. It was his music in Dil Se that fascinated ALW and not his association with Shekar Kapur. By the time Bombay Dreams came in, ARR was a national icon and certainly international if you count his reach in other countries where Bollywood music is popular. Here is how recommendation works. IR gave Nanda to YSR. I doubt ALW was responsible for the other international projects ARR did, or will do in the future. ARR came up solely due to his work/talent.

2) When MR wanted to join the cine field, he didn't go to GV. He approached other producers and did small movies. He gave a blockbuster film in 86 and followed up with hits till 92. He as a director gained more popularity and GV was more popular as maniratnam's bro until Mani did films for him.

MR was lucky in the sense that he came in the 80s. One can overcome a couple of flops. But that's not the case nowadays, for anyone. I am surprised at the suggestion. GV as a producer became popular in the 90's, but pls correct me if I am wrong on that.

1. I am damn sure that Shekar Kapur was the one played Dil se song (chaiya chaiya) to ALW and he liked it. It came out in many interviews during BD initial days. So SK indeed introduced arr to ALW to get the BD project. I did not say that ALW was/is responsible for arr getting other projects.

2. Come on, you got to be kidding. I heard that GV was very popular during 80s when MR was not even there in the scene. His Sujatha Films was a fast growing distribution company at that time. Later he turned his distribution company into a production house. If I am not wrong, MR's first tamil film (Pagal nilavu) was indeed produced by GV.

[S.T.D.]

this is beautiful rephrasing of my past arguements in judge's words......adhu eppadi? "Seems like you hate people getting opportunities because of someone close to the industry helping them" ......see, i have problems with star kids.....got it , direct sons and daughters of great people.......they do have a big plus over others as they start way ahead of others.....i dunno whether u r in S/W or support projects, if u r, then picture this, ur manager's son joins as team lead, and u sitting as a team member for 3 years.....appa theriyum idhellam.......and dont laugh guys, it is going to happen in future.....this hereditary thing is going to enter all the fields including IT one day.....

if u r going to compare ARR's frndship with shekar kapur and YSR's blood relations with IR, then i really cannot reply.......moreover, i dunt get that angry on ppl. like Vivek oberoi,hrithik roshan, shahid kapur as their dads were not and are not as big as Amitabh,Ilayaraja or the kapoors and would not have been so influential like these 3.........i'll put Maniratnam in this category too, being brother of producer GV and son Venus ratnam is not a big thing....u know wat i mean?? infact GV and Mani grew during the same time and GV could not have helped Mani to build a career......

last point i have is-> YSR is a brilliant kid, no doubt but the time he took to settle down-> 3-4 years and survived just bcos he is IR's son, which is totally unfair advantage IMHO.....

So now according to you, direct blood relations are not acceptable. Distant relatives are ok? What kind of logic is this? You can twist your tongue anyway you want man. I think you don't accpet YSR just because he is IR's son.

You should understand that nobody in this industry can get opportunities without doing any networking. Everybody does it at the level the best they can do. They will ask friends, relatives, people working/associated in the industry to get a break. One way or the other everybody gets some kind of help during the intial period.

YSR bagged projects (not-so-good-ones) because of his Dad's name during his initial days, that was some kind of recommendation. And arr got recommended (for BD) by SK and so was MR during his initial days. So instead of looking at how they bag thier projects and disapprove them, why can't you give credit based on their outputs? Who cares in what way one is related to? If you don't like YSR's albums, don't listen. It is as simple as that, that's what I do for arr's albums.

[Drugmachine]

YSR was introduced in 1996. He wasn't taken seriously till about 2002. I don't think any other MD can sustain that long without the tag of being IR's son.

Well, this is the best example for not having facts right and twisting things the way you want.

Aravindan came out in 1997 not in 1996.

1998
* Velai

1999

* Poovellam Kettupar
* Unakkaga Ellam Unakkaga
* Kalyana Kalatta

2001

* Dheena
* Manadhai Thirudivittai
* Nandha
* Rishi
* Thulluvatho Illamai

You haven't taken him seriously even for PKP in 1999? Hmmmm......not even a film from 2001?

[Drugmachine]

Judge,

I recall reading an interview on Filmalaya with both KR and YSR featuring together soon after being introduced. That was in 1996. YSR came into the field at 16 years of age. That was 10 years back, if my math is right I wasn't aware this required detective intelligence. Trust me, there is no NEED to twist facts. I had already told to be corrected on the GV front.

Shekar introduced the music of Rahman to ALW when he played Dilse. ALW wanted to know about popular Indian music at that time. Rahman was it. I think it's the music that impressed ALW, and not any recommedation by Shekar as first wrote.

Coming to MR...!

This is coming in a circle. I will leave for the time being.

[Drugmachine]

Judge,

I recall reading an interview on Filmalaya with both KR and YSR featuring together soon after being introduced. That was in 1996. YSR came into the field at 16 years of age. That was 10 years back, if my math is right I wasn't aware this required detective intelligence. Trust me, there is no NEED to twist facts. I had already told to be corrected on the GV front.

Shekar introduced the music of Rahman to ALW when he played Dilse. ALW wanted to know about popular Indian music at that time. Rahman was it. I think it's the music that impressed ALW, and not any recommedation by Shekar as first wrote.

Coming to MR...!

This is coming in a circle. I will leave for the time being.

How can we take his first interview as his introduction to tfm? I don't understand that. Aravindan was released in 1997. You and MADDY portray as if just because of IR's son, YSR was signed so many films. In 1998 nobody bothered to book him in spite of being IR's name attached to him. What does that tell you? From 1999 onwards he started showing off what he is capable of. But for you, only from 2002 he was taken seriously. No, this does not require any detective intelligence. But to twist facts, seems like you need special intelligence

My point is YSR bagged projects because of IR's name only for a few movies. He has been growing on his own for very long time now. And you guys still sing the same pallavi.

[S.T.D.]

Its quite sad that the fans of A R Rahman are not able to digest facts and its of no use arguing with them. You cannot argue with people who wont open their ears to whatever u say against their views or wishes.They have said nastry comments abt Harris Jayaraj and are not able tolerate Karthik and Yuvan..Lets leave them aside and we shall discuss good music in TF ..no matter whoever does it or gives it

[Peptobismol]

MrJudge:
The movie Pagal Nilavu was produced by Satyajothi films not by GV if I am right. The first movie of MR was in Kannada (Pallavi Anu Pallavi) with Balumahendra doing the camera, Anil Kapoor in the lead role, but surely they dubbed it in tamil coz MR bcame famous with a string of hits.

Aruvi
KR gave a string of hits for the matter of fact, even if they were not hits, I guess they are still listenable today.

[S.T.D.]

Aruvi
"it just takes about ten years to learn the trick"

If somebody takes one decade to learn the trick
1. they will not be in the field
2. If they sustained for one decade (it has to do with either luck or talent)
3. You can be only lucky one or two times or opportunity knocks on the door a very few times. Grabbing it and holding on to it is all about timing.
4. You need to work-hard to keep it for "ten years" to your advantage.