[prehighaltitudesjj]

Uhmm ! At present , In Thailand, I think approximately 87 percent of children attend primary school. And the primary education by goverment schools is compulsory and free of charge. Apart of that , we also having the debt education fund for poor students who need to continuing their university or higher education....And all of these are also for Thai girls.

[Marinausa]

So after attending one of Thailand's best universities, they are both now working for their families and are not really in high-flying jobs that in the west would usually equate to escaping the clutches of your parents.

Sparky, What you observed is what the reality is.

My questions are:
1. Are there too MANY graduates looking for too FEW jobs?
2. Are there a MISMATCH between what the industry want and what the University can provide
3. Or are the graduates themselves NOT smart, hard working, or with wrong attitudes?

I am currently facing some financial difficulties myself. I want a BMW series 7 and a 35 million baht house in The Crystal and I do not enough for the downpayments. So what do I do?

I downgrade to a Japanese car say like Toyota Camry and a 8 million baht house with only 2 parking space and 3 bed rooms and I dine in restaurants only on weekends instead of everyday. Poor me. I am not one of those lucky ones.

BUCKY, The hard fact is that these people are already at the lowest of the physical needs. They can't DOWNGRADE further. Chinese saying is that we need 4 basics (衣吃住行）

Some clothing 衣
A bowl of rice 吃 and drink (these they should do without)
A hut 住
A bicycle / Bus ride 行

Some of us are lucky to be born in a society that a lot of basics are assumed.

Let's say I have 5 million Bahts to retire and I will find it quite hard to continue my lifestyle in Kuala Lumpur. Some of my friends have argued that we need at least 20 Million Bahts to survive comfortably for next 30 years.

So I can DOWNGRADE. The option I have is to retire in CR and I can be quite comfortable if I watch my wallet. I am sure a lot of Farang living in Thailand are having the same cost advantages. But can the some of the gals downgrade further than what they are having now? Perhaps across the Mekong from LOS to LaOS.

Regards.

[LOVEBoy]

Since I have been working in Bangkok - not quite 3 years - we have had three office assistants who all studied at Chulalongkorn University, which you have to agree means they have been provided with a good education.

The conditions are that they only work 4 or 5 days a week and only from 2.30pm to 5.30pm - so at 3 hours a day, usually less than 15 hours a week, it is a part-time job. The workload is light enough that there is enough time for personal messaging and internet browsing. And the pay is 10,000 baht a month.

The first girl left because she was offered a job at an international marketing and public relations firm for 12,000 baht a month, a 2,000 baht bonus. However, after three months she quit. She had been working 5 days a week, 10 hours a day and been given all the grunt work to do. Now she is working for her family's firm that makes T-shirts. She was a communications graduate.

Frankly I couldn't believe that a Chula graduate working for a really big international agency like that could be so poorly paid. And now she's making T-shirts, which is basically factory work from what I can see.

Her friend, another communications graduate, had to leave when her father got sick. She said she had to manage the family shop's finances, which we understand means sitting at the cash register and doing the accounts.

So after attending one of Thailand's best universities, they are both now working for their families and are not really in high-flying jobs that in the west would usually equate to escaping the clutches of your parents.

Am I ???

[NutChusty]

If you earn $1 a day or earn 10 thousand dollars a day, if your personal consumption is more than your income, your going to get your self in financial strife. Financial strife occurs due to poor financial management, it's got nothing to do with how much you earn. Personally I could live off scavenging threw garbage bins for food and sleeping under shop awnings if I had no money, so there are no excuses. The biggest problems are coursed by schools spending to much time on teaching people irrelevant things like Geography over personal financial management.

[prehighaltitudesjj]

Nah just for add anymore opinion...More over than keeping " Hard working for money + Saving money + Spend money in the smart ways ", We may also need to understanding of how to live our enough life ?.


By the way for everylady..there's the funny said in Thai between my closefriends group that " ÁÕÊÒÁÕÃÇ ªèÇÂàÃÒä´é " (( haha it's so funny ....but might true ))

[NutChusty]

There are a number of people on these Forums that have degree's, I don't see them as elitist.

David

I don't see them as elitist either, but some of them in there own minds act like they are.

[cefunonge]

My opnion is - we needs - -> Hard working for money + Saving money + Spend money in the smart ways.

Great advice Anatta - you would make someone a good wife or g/f

[RagonaCon]

Sparky, What you observed is what the reality is.
My questions are:
1. Are there too MANY graduates looking for too FEW jobs?
2. Are there a MISMATCH between what the industry want and what the University can provide
3. Or are the graduates themselves NOT smart, hard working, or with wrong attitudes?.

Over the years I'd interviewed quite a number of Thai for sales position. My perferences are normally fresh grad because I thought they can pick up the skills along the way. Which University they graduated are irrelevant. But personally I rather they not graduated from Chula or Thammasat because they give me the snobbish attitudes when they stepped into my small office. There was one period where I spent more than 3 months to look for 1.... I gave up and fortunetly, an ex-sales decided to come back after going through 2 different companies within 1 year.

BUCKY, The hard fact is that these people are already at the lowest of the physical needs. They can't DOWNGRADE further. Chinese saying is that we need 4 basics (衣吃住行）
Some clothing 衣
A bowl of rice 吃 and drink (these they should do without)
A hut 住
A bicycle / Bus ride 行
Some of us are lucky to be born in a society that a lot of basics are assumed.
Let's say I have 5 million Bahts to retire and I will find it quite hard to continue my lifestyle in Kuala Lumpur. Some of my friends have argued that we need at least 20 Million Bahts to survive comfortably for next 30 years.
So I can DOWNGRADE. The option I have is to retire in CR and I can be quite comfortable if I watch my wallet. I am sure a lot of Farang living in Thailand are having the same cost advantages. But can the some of the gals downgrade further than what they are having now? Perhaps across the Mekong from LOS to LaOS.
Regards.

I was just kidding. Thats why I find it funny seeing those commercials of Thai celebrities urging the Thai to "live within their means" in their clean clothings, big garden, 2 storey bunglow.

[adverwork]

The problem is people with degrees have an elitist opinion of them selves imagining there opinion is always more correct than so called uneducated people who are dismissed as incorrect, but I find people with degrees can't think for them selves because there all rope learnt, there basically functionally illiterate but they don't know it because there been so brain washed by educational institutions they have no sense of reality as there minds have been so narrowed to the ideas of former academics.

There are a number of people on these Forums that have degree's, I don't see them as elitist.

David

[P9CCd35R]

Well...this is a question open for debate.

Is there anyone experience in elaborating how a thai girl react to circumstances in relation to financial difficulty?

Though there may be some who yearns to find someone who is able to support them financially, some may not be as lucky.

They generally do not like to ú¡Ç¹ (Rop-Guan) their family or friends.

How would they approach it otherwise?

[NutChusty]

About 87% , this is just the approximate percentage by myself .

Possibly not quite this low but even so, if 78% have an education and just 13% never go to school, what's the problem, there's got to be some one to dig the ditches, so when you find every one has an education, know one will lower them selves to do the bottom lowest paid jobs, at least this way, there are people who are happy to dig the ditches.

[Emunsesoxmete]

> It's a vicious circle. Rural peasants don't believe in education, so their children grow up uneducated, and so on.
Educated people do believe in education, so their children get even better educated. This causes a widening gap between an educated elite and the uneducated masses.


that's why I think organisations like the Student Education Trust http://www.thaistudentcharity.org/ are doing a great job giving support to rural poor kids who are talented and motivated to continue their education. check out their website and support them if you can.

[RagonaCon]

I am currently facing some financial difficulties myself. I want a BMW series 7 and a 35 million baht house in The Crystal and I do not enough for the downpayments. So what do I do? I downgrade to a Japanese car say like Toyota Camry and a 8 million baht house with only 2 parking space and 3 bed rooms and I dine in restaurants only on weekends instead of everyday. Poor me. I am not one of those lucky ones.

[P9CCd35R]

Somehow, I can relate and agree that the probable issue arises from educational framework which seeks to educate in many areas other than emphasis on financial planning.

Is it the said truth that within a Thai family, the daughter is/are always given the least in areas of education and decision of autonomy?

[themsrsdude]

I do believe there are a huge number of graduates out there, also I often see jobs advertised that require a degree which in other countries usually are not performed by someone with a background in University.

However that's just my personal impression.

[ergyuu]

Is it the said truth that within a Thai family, the daughter is/are always given the least in areas of education and decision of autonomy?

That is an old-fashioned view of women in Thailand. Things have changed over the years and you have professional women in all walks of life from parliament to head of industries. You seem to have a poor view of Thai women. Maybe you are meeting them in the wrong circles. Most women I know are intelligent and fully capable of looking after themselves. Many of them are actually running the show and their families couldn't survive without them. I cannot wait until we have a female prime minister and then we will see some fireworks.

[themsrsdude]

Somehow, I can relate and agree that the probable issue arises from educational framework which seeks to educate in many areas other than emphasis on financial planning.

Are u referring to the credit crunch?

[prehighaltitudesjj]

About 87% , this is just the approximate percentage by myself . As I couldn’t said that all of children in my country all got their nice chance to receive a good education. By I had the chance to keep in touch with some foundation's workers who have the responsibility in work to improved quality of life, rights and equality of poor and disadvantaged communities,to determine suitable solutions and participate in development activities in the areas. Apart of HIV and AIDS affect children,there still have many homeless Thai children, hill tribes and refugee children which continue to suffer human rights here ( Also there’re lots of them that getting help by Thai government and some Thailand and international charity organizations and foundations).

And yes, personally ! I'd also really like to see the children all over the world, especially in third countries are all getting the nice chance for themselves better.