[DownloadMan]

Who is ER ll.???? ya don't mean Liz do ya?? if so you guys is just children, I got drunk at her cor. celebration in Dawson Creek BC.

[logpogingg]

including how the Burman turned on the Karen immediatly following British withdrawal and the murder of General Aung San.

And by the way, it wasn't just the Karen, more a case of lowland against highland.

[usaneisfiecup]

I, too, would like to hear about what people are hearing in Thailand.

Here is a short article from the Democratic Voice of Burma: http://english.dvb.no/news.php?id=7042

[logpogingg]

Just reading the news and came across this timeline for Myanmar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-paci...es/1300082.stm

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[I]As for those "no resources"- tell me about it ! I still have my ration book and one of my earliest memories is my mother and I sharing a large room with another family in 1948/9 post-war London.

One of my earliest memories is the coronation of ER II. It was the first time I tasted chocolate. If I remember correctly, sugar was still being rationed then.

And as far as the rest goes, I have never had a very high opinion of politicians of any stripe. Long gone are the days (if they ever existed) when politicians served the community that elected them.

[logpogingg]

seems like the Brits were good at leaving things in a mess, look what they did to the Jews during repartation and when they pulled out of Palestine in 1948.

What did they do, leave the place to a bunch of people who were shooting at them?

Check out http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm

[logpogingg]

We watch Thai as well as CNN and CNBC news and have heard nothing about the Burmese having anything to do with the Karen, but they do push them around every chance they get it seems.

It has been going on for 6 decades!

Then there is the ASEAN embarassment factor!

[logpogingg]

Here are a couple of articles I found on Yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/...en_offensive_1

and

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-17-voa7.cfm

[logpogingg]

Not to mention the original British embarrassment, who scuttled out of Burma after hastily granting independence without creating a separate Karen state, as promised for all the help the Karen gave them in governing the country for decades.
(As you may guess this double cross does not appear in many British history books ! )

True but the subject certainly appears in mine although it was a little to recent for most history books!

A little potted history can be found at http://www.geographia.com/myanmar/

[JoesBro]

Perhaps one other comment, remember that Britain had just spent 5 years in a global conflict, much of the national (and commonwealth treasure) had been expended, and they had no resources for the indigenous population let alone colonies and protecterates around the world. Faced with cries for independence, whether right or wrong, they granted it and went home. Some of these new nations never looked back but others descended into various levels of chaos.

Absolutely -however, there was the idea in certain quarters that Britain would retain its colonies and it would be "business as usual" -whatever the cost. But the election of a post-war Labour government scuppered this completely. As for those "no resources"- tell me about it ! I still have my ration book and one of my earliest memories is my mother and I sharing a large room with another family in 1948/9 post-war London.
Never the less, Britain had obligations to all its colonies it failed to fulfill -mainly because of political doctrine rather than lack of resources (lets get out as quickly as possible and cease being seen by the rest of the world as oppressors).

This policy often caused great suffering -a classic example being India -where the British were well aware of the tensions between Muslims and Hindus and had in the past exploited such when necessary to retain control.

[logpogingg]

What's happening up north with the Karen peoples?

I saw a brief piece on a new offensive by the Myanmar military against the Karen hill tribe villages, causing a new flow of refugees into Thailand. Anything in the Thai media?

[JoesBro]

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I remember getting a Coronation mug ! -and you are right -sugar was still on the ration.

As to politicians -don't get me started !!!

[DownloadMan]

What did they do, leave the place to a bunch of people who were shooting at them?

Check out http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm

How it was supposed to work and how it did work is 2 different storys.
On 5/15/48 when the brits pulled out they left all supplies, fortifications and equipment including arms to the arabs, who in the minds of the Brits would surely win any confrontation with the jews because there were 600,000 jews and 1.300.000 arabs in place in the area and 36 million more ready to come in, But the jews would fight and fight they did so the Arabs ran off when the other 36 mil. didn't show and they have never won a decisive battle with the jews to this day.

[DownloadMan]

We watch Thai as well as CNN and CNBC news and have heard nothing about the Burmese having anything to do with the Karen, but they do push them around every chance they get it seems.

[DownloadMan]

seems like the Brits were good at leaving things in a mess, look what they did to the Jews during repartation and when they pulled out of Palestine in 1948.

[logpogingg]

Ay oop, ar kid, -2 chippies in "Doodley" -and Lenny Henry as well? -must be hell of a place! Lived in Brum in the 1960's myself for a while -Kings Heath area.

agin but I promise, the last time.

The Black Country Museum is quite a popular place. A bit of "Industrial History" including a mine, a canal going into a hillside where they mined limestone, and, of course, the village pub, which serves locallly brewed real ale (Banks's I believe). A couple of pints then across the street to the chippie which still does them the old fashioned way. As I said, it was so popular that they located period equipment etc. and opened another. Only problem with the place is that it costs a tenner to get in there, so quite an expensive visit to the chip shop.

I don't know about Lenny Henry but sister and Mother live on the Bournville estate next door to Kings Heath.

[DownloadMan]

One of my earliest memories is the coronation of ER II. It was the first time I tasted chocolate. If I remember correctly, sugar was still being rationed then. Afraid not, Sugar was rationed in England for about 12 years, but was rationed in the USA only from 5/43 til 9/47, and candy was hard to get but was available,.

Yea, you would have been quite young then alright.

[JoesBro]

True but the subject certainly appears in mine although it was a little to recent for most history books!

A little potted history can be found at http://www.geographia.com/myanmar/

Was the history book in question published in the UK? I tried to find more info on British relationship with Karen during the colonial period some years ago and could find nothing. It was my Uni tutor, who did his doctorate among the Karen, that told me the whole sorry story -including how the Burman turned on the Karen immediatly following British withdrawal and the murder of General Aung San.

[DownloadMan]

Who is ER ll.???? ya don't mean Liz do ya?? if so you guys is just children, I got drunk at her cor. celebration in Dawson Creek BC.6/2/53

[logpogingg]

Afraid not, Sugar was rationed in England for about 12 years, but was rationed in the USA only from 5/43 til 9/47, and candy was hard to get but was available,.

Yea, you would have been quite young then alright.

agin

Ee by gum lad, one problem with your theory , I wus born and bred in Brumegum, the art of de black cuntry. If ever u get there, go te museum just outside Dudlayyyyy, best beer and fish chips in the UK , so gud in fact, they had to put in another chippie.