[Pyuvjzwf]

Is it just me, but I've noticed many Luk Krungs who have a white mother look more 'farang', compared to ones with Thai mothers, like me, look more oriental?!?

[Infellgedq]

Quote[/b] (Vali @ May 02 2003,04:50)]And I've heard of black tourists called khon afreeka but I don't know if there is another more common term.

My girlfriend calls black tourists "Negro" I've also heard some ladies in broken English call them "Chocolate Man". Unfortunately I've heard many Thai's make derogatory remarks against blacks, I think this stems from the Thai cultural belief that white skin is good.

[Everwondopedo]

Quote[/b] (Tin @ Nov. 04 2003,02:49)]Is it just me, but I've noticed many Luk Krungs who have a white mother look more 'farang', compared to ones with Thai mothers, like me, look more oriental?!?

It's all determined by genes. Which parent has the strongest of the two. I know a western man who was married to a Thai lady and had one son, who was very much western looking. He then divorced and remarried to a different Thai lady. They had a son, who looks very much Thai.

Just be happy with who you are and what you look like! Everyone is unique.

Btw, I remember reading somewhere that in the future we will all look the same. Eventually we will all inter-marry and 'blend' into the one light brown colour. I can't remember the source but it had a name, something like the Law of Eventuality. It's a bit like the Central Limit Theorem of statistics - if that makes sense.

Think about that one!

[diundasmink]

Quote[/b] (gholden @ May 01 2003,09:10)]If there are terms for foreigners that are different from "farang", what are they?

I asked the same question not long ago, in this thread. The answers I got explain it all.

Quote[/b] ]could you translate ½ÃÑ觡Թ½ÃÑè§ 'farang gin farang' into English?

Sure: "Crazy white men eat each other"

[Matajic]

From what I have actually seen, usually when you start going to 3rd generation kids, the "blend" effect can wear-off and you have offspring that start going back to original colors. For example, I know of a half-black woman, who married a white man. They have 3 kids: 2 white, 1 dark-brown/light-black (like people from india). I dunno, maybe this is rare, but I definitely don't see any "light-brown" so far. Perhaps I'll have to wait and see what the 4th generation looks like.

[LomodiorCon]

Well, I heard some 'not very flattering' views about Indians and others after 5 visits to Thailand! And I am Indian. But no worry! It did not reduce any of my love for Thai people and Thailand any bit. Probably, because living in India - which itself is such a diverse community - one learns not to take such issues to heart. Incidentally, I travelled to Thailand with a friend who is Indian but terribly fair - almost European in looks and by style - and its true he got all the salutes! I would keep joking about it to him. I told him its his western looks and he would tell me its his charm!! But that don't matter because when it came to talking one to one with people all these factors evaporate - more or less. And I now have good Thai friends and we can talk openly about such issues.

Also, typically most westerners seem to be quite well behaved as tourists. Even in my own country many Hotels etc. prefers foreigners as clients. Guess, its much to do with state of security, money, state of culture, etc... For instance, when I try to learn Thai my brother is very curious why I am not spending this time learning a European language instead!!!

So, you see...

[nonDosearrany]

it was a joke
(note the 'just kidding')

[Everwondopedo]

Actually, the theory was intended for MUCH further down the line, like 40th generation! Your example is fine but what I'm saying is that one day there will be no full white men or black women left (and vice versa)!

[seosoftseo]

½ÃÑ觡Թ½ÃÑè§ 'farang gin farang'

'guavas eat foreigners?', roni.
- Sorry! How could a kind of fruit eat human beings, roni?

[WelcomeMe]

Quote[/b] ]Since my definition of the term "farang" refers to those who LOOK like "westerners," I would say that in identifying an American-Thai person as "farang," I have to look at his/her appearance. A Chinese guy born in the U.S., for instance, would not fit my definition of "farang" -- even he speaks English fluently, and is a U.S. citizen.

Your definition is absolutely clear, w-bpf.
Hope you are doing well in the States at the moment.

Cheers.
p

[Derrida]

oooops...I hope I'm not joining here too late....
that's an interesting discussion, and I have a personal issue that I would like to get an advise for.

I am a farang lady (whiter than white) dating a Thai man (who is quite dark). He lives in Thailand and I'm not, and we are visiting each other every few months for almost 3 years.
(isn't this lovely?.... )

Anyway, things are getting more and more serious and we are discussing our future together.
Where would be the best place for us to live? his country?
my country? any other country?
I am sure both of us can manage just fine anywhere, but the main question is about children (I can't believe I'm saying that!).
Where would be the best place for half Thais to live?
We agreed that if and when we will have children, we're gonna live our life by two traditions, two religions, and a rich Thai-Farang kitchen!
So, even if we stay in Thailand, our children gonna be 50-50
(hope their skin won't look like zebras! ).

Anyway, just want to get an advise from anyone who's "been there". If you are a parent to a half Thais, or a half Thais yourself, and you can help me out of your own experience... I would real appreciate it.
If you'd like, you can email me to talu_lu@yahoo.com
or write me a PM or reply on the forum or send me a message in a bottle....


Thanks!

BTW
Seeker, nice answer to ½ÃÑ觡Թ½ÃÑè§ 'farang gin farang' ...!
makes me wonder..... I'm hungry.

[Infellgedq]

Quote[/b] (smiaw @ April 27 2003,02:17)]Tiger Woods?
I have no idea how good is his Thai , but I've seen papers referring him as "The Proud Son Of Thailand"

Didn't the Thai government give him citizenship?

[CatLuvkaLover]

Quote[/b] ]We agreed that if and when we will have children, we're gonna live our life by two traditions, two religions, and a rich Thai-Farang kitchen!

Wow!
You have such a sweet home, Talu.

[ignonsoli]

Quote[/b] ]What if somebody is 100% Thai and looks Thai, but does not speak Thai?

Good question. I have been in a situation when a Thai teenager that had been brought up abroad came to visit some relations in Thailand. Yes, he is considered Thai, but I remeber some of the Thai elders commenting that he acted like a "farang".

Quote[/b] ]I want to understand the 'farang' concept in Thailand please.

Basically, the word "farang" is given to anyone with European ancestors. It doesn't mean foreigner. People from Africa and other Asian countries are given a different set of names. It is not meant as a racist attribute though some people do object to being labelled "farang".

[nonDosearrany]

ummm.....
guavas eat foreigners?

just kidding

[mxzjxluwst]

I want to understand the 'farang' concept in Thailand please. I live in South India, and here a farang is basically someone from the west. Of course, if asked specifically any non-Indian is farang, but in general use a farang means someone from west. Is that so in Thailand too? Now, if someone was a half-Indian with a mix with an Asian it would be difficult to call him or her farang. But for some reason if the person is a mix with a Westerner than he is most likely to be called a 'farang'. How is that in Thailand please?

Again, if you know someone long-enough, you loose the sense of the person being farang even if he is absolutely farang - unless reminded. So, I mean, the final good reality is - the relationships that really matter are the ones we make with people - one by one. Guess that should apply most times?

[seosoftseo]

Sorry to tell you that you don't look 'farang', Anna.

[qp0yfHOf]

Quote[/b] ]speak both Thai and farang

Where can I learn to speak farang?!

[nonDosearrany]

Tiger Woods doesn't speak Thai at all. I heard that he was kind of hated in Thailand at one point because he kept makin remarks about how he didn't really care about his Thai background, wasn't interested... etc.

[CatLuvkaLover]

guava noun [C]
a round yellow tropical fruit with pink or white flesh and hard seeds, or the small tropical tree on which it grows
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...4829&dict=CALD

Could you translate ½ÃÑ觡Թ½ÃÑè§ 'farang gin farang' into English?