[cialesxtr]

I'm studying at Delft, University of Technology, in Holland at the moment and after my education (5 years) I want to migrate to Asia (probably Thailand) together with a friend who will also finish his eduction that year.

Do You think me and my friend will be welcome in Thailand? I hope so

[Cerilopasei]

I sure think so, Roland!

While I am no way an expert in immigration issues, as an international I find that it is generally easy for professionals to immigrate just about everywhere. If you contact a foreign company that needs your skills, they will go to a great length to make sure you will stay with them

Good luck!


PS: Getting a PhD, right? What is your area khrab?

[cialesxtr]

Thanks Seeker! I'm glad to hear that

My area is Technical Informatics and I have to go 4 more years. In the last 2 years I'll get the opportunity to study abroad for about half a year and I think that's gonna be Thailand! In that way I already can become a bit familiar with the Thai culture/habits etc.

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Quote[/b] ]Certain people are influenced by an environment and other peoples.
Certains people speak about things they don't know really. People are often frightened by things they don't know.

I got my imigration opinion from first hand exsperiance, I have lived in the two systems, both multicultural and mono cultural society, I'm also old enought to see the social degridation of Austrlian social behaivour largly contributed by the introduction of multiculturalisum. Unlike some people who are afraid to tell you the truth I do.
Most of the people in this forum are either young or have an accademic background and had there opinions drummed into them by an education system, that is socialist by nature. Education is a socialist activity and it is well known in Australia that 85% of school teachers in Australia vote Labour the socialist political Party in Australia, These school teachers have brain washed many young kids into having a multicultural attitude as the subject is tought at school in social studies.
You ask any persion in Australia that is over 50 years old and has not got an accademic background, has lived i Australia before muliculturalisum, and ask them is society better to live in now with multiculturalisum or was society better when we were mono cultural, and the vote is about 96% supporting mono cultural.
You youg wipper snappers only have your oppinions from what you have been brain washed to beleive in by a socilist education system and the 85% socialist media that is run by megga tycoons who have an interest in population growth to sell more advertizing.
I know 100% for shore, Sydney Australia would have been a much nicer place to live in if it had not have become multiculturalized and it's population had not grown so big, that it can take me 3 hours just to drive to the other side.

[euylvaygdq]

Quote[/b] ]Education is a socialist activity and it is well known in Australia that 85% of school teachers in Australia vote Labour the socialist political Party in Australia, These school teachers have brain washed many young kids into having a multicultural attitude as the subject is tought at school in social studies.

Ah yes, blame it on the intellectuals (they are probable Jews, as well as Communists).

Quote[/b] ]You ask any persion in Australia that is over 50 years old and has not got an accademic background, has lived i Australia before muliculturalisum, and ask them is society better to live in now with multiculturalisum or was society better when we were mono cultural, and the vote is about 96% supporting mono cultural.

Ask any old person who never cared to think... Correlation does not equal causation. Just because multiculturalism is correlated with changes in the economy, that does not prove that multiculturalism "caused" the changes in the economy; but you would need an education to know that

Quote[/b] ]I know 100% for shore...

This is an interesting and informative statement, because the more educated you become the less you know for sure.

Excuse me now, I am going down to the shore to gather seashells. I am not sure how many I will find. I just hope there are not any Nazis there

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Quote[/b] ]for shore

This is an ozzie exspression, when you know what it means make a comment.

Quote[/b] ]not prove that multiculturalism "caused" the changes in the economy; but you would need an education to know that

I was not making a social economic statement, in my previous reply. By the way I'm a self made millionaire, who semi retired by the age of 31 years old, so just maybe I know more about economics then the accademics professors who learnt from chain reading, so as not to have the imagination to innovate them selves into a nitch that cannot be tought in books.

[Cerilopasei]

Quote[/b] (Tjau Min @ Dec. 08 2003,15:55)]In the last 2 years I'll get the opportunity to study abroad for about half a year and I think that's gonna be Thailand!

Cool! You are so lucky, hehe!

Quote[/b] ]In that way I already can become a bit familiar with the Thai culture/habits etc.

Yes, that will be a valuable experience for sure! Also, it will be an excellent opportunity for you to get yourself known to companies over there that you might be interested in working with, later on...

Again, best of luck is all I can say!

[snunsebrugs]

Quote[/b] ]I know 100% for shore, Sydney Australia would have been a much nicer place to live in if it had not have become multiculturalized

This has a lot of racist intent in it. There are lots of groups that support a one race community, check out this site for an example.

www.wckkkk.com

[cialesxtr]

Quote[/b] (Seeker @ Dec. 08 2003,20:23)] Originally Posted by [b Quote[/b] (Tjau Min @ Dec. 08 2003,15:55)]In the last 2 years I'll get the opportunity to study abroad for about half a year and I think that's gonna be Thailand!

Cool! You are so lucky, hehe!

Quote[/b] ]In that way I already can become a bit familiar with the Thai culture/habits etc.

Yes, that will be a valuable experience for sure! Also, it will be an excellent opportunity for you to get yourself known to companies over there that you might be interested in working with, later on...

Again, best of luck is all I can say! Thanks again!
I can't wait to go there

Do You comment a certain city in Thailand for studying abroad? Maybe Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or?

[gogFloark]

i have no intention to answer to Paul_au who seem well satisfied by his professional sucess life. That's pity his success life don't give him enough maturity to understand our society.

I am agree with you visonchaser.

Possible you and me have no meet the same immigrants than Paul_au. I think paul_au have the same point of view with Ben laden which think no muslim immigrants are bad for the saudi emirates. Is it reassuring to see we have extremist too?

My job consist in renting and managing the principle of life on 50 buildings in 14 localities. I work with mayors, police and social workers in order to find solution for incivility.
I think i am more informed about those problems than a self made millonnaire...
I know you will be not suprised visionchaser to know that the majority of person who cause problem of incivility are not immigrants. It's just a question of education.
I will be curious to know how many immigrants paul_au met in his life. Very bad chance they were all delinquents or profiteers.
It's clear that if immigrants meet all the time intolerants persons like Paul_au, it will be very difficult for them to be integrated.
I think answer to Paul_au is a waste of time now. That's why i will not answer him now.

[smirnoffdear]

Quote[/b] ]Do You comment a certain city in Thailand for studying abroad? Maybe Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or?

Hehe, I was about to ask you the same question, Roland: "do you already have a specific city or university in mind?" ...since you already have been to Thailand, right? Which areas did you visit? Which ones do you like the most?

I am working in a different academic area (microbiology), thus I only know universities that have strong programs in the biological sciences (Mahidol, CMU) but I am not so sure about the ones that have good Information Technology programs... Nevertheless, both Bangkok and Chiang Mai would be good choices, IMO. Bangkok obviously has lots of universities and firms that are looking for your expertees... the drawback (at least for me ) is the big-city life. But if you like that kind of lifestyle, then that would be your choice... for starters, it might be a good idea to check out Mahanakorn University of Technology. Also, I am sure that our friends living in Bangkok will give you more useful tips and advices khrab.

My personal choice would be still Chiang Mai University though. I am just fond of the Flower of the North and its beautiful, wonderful people Please look at the Technology section of CMU's website to see if you like it na khrab.

[cialesxtr]

Hehe what a coincidence

This year was my first trip to Thailand and I went to Bangkok, Phuket and Pattaya. Next summer I also want to visit Chiang Mai, because I heard lots of good stories about it
I liked Bangkok and Pattaya, but Phuket was too touristic IMO, but it certainly has the most beautiful nature I've ever seen!

I did see many firms and universities in Bangkok and I also like the big-city life so I think Bangkok would be a very good choice. On the other side I haven't been to Chiang Mai yet and what I hear about it is very positive... very kind people and a beautiful nature. Hmm this is going to be a very difficult choice

I also started a topic about visiting universities during a holiday in Thailand. Is it possible for me to visit a university in for example Bangkok or Chiang Mai next year to get a glimpse on how it looks inside?

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For people on this forum who accuse me of being a racist, you are absolutly wrong and you are ignorant of the facts.
Fact (1) I have had many girlfriends of different race,
Fact (2) I don't think any race is superior to any other race, which is the opposit to being a racist.
Fact (3) Just because some one does not want imigration, does not make them a racist, it is just some people have been brain washed into thinking, that immigration has all good side effects and no bad side effects, and I just happen to give you the bas side effects of immigration to balance the political propergander dised out by the governments.
Fact (3) The Main reasion I don't like imigration is for the enviromental reasion, I don't like infesting every corner of the planet with human's, Australia once had magnificent forests, now we are left with only 1% of what we once had, The main reasdion for this is Australia's population is now much to big. Australia is over populated for it arible land, Australia may look big but it is 95% desert, and that desert was once an inland sea, so if you try to irrigate this land, the salt just comes up and kills what little plant life is left.
The WORLD IS OVER POPULATED why are so many people so intent on distroying this small planet by populating the few areas that have not been exsployted.
Fact (4) when you import people if you become selective, you then get accused by the united nations, of discriminative migration and being a racist, Most countries would like to celect the type of migrant that will best fit into there society, In Australia that would be some one who comes from England as at least they speak the same Language, but if australia was to do this we would be considered racists.
So to only let in Farang immigration would discriminate against every other race, so the original post is a racist comment because you are saying that other races are not considered good enought to migrate to Thailand. So if thailand did open its doors to immigration you could not select the type of immigration you want, and this would mean you bring in some riff raff.
Fact (5) Because you cannot select the immigrants you want you will find that some of the immigrants you bring in will have an average crime rate higher then the rest of Thailand, if you could be selective you sould be able to select people to have a lower crime rate but that does not occure, because you cannot select due to being accused of being a racist. Like some of the ignorant people on this forum, who have not seen the devistating problems caused by the bad side of immigeration, they seem to be blinded and can only see the good side of immigration, I'm just giving you the other side of the story that political correctness tries to hide.
Fact (6) because Australia cannot discriminat on the type of migrant that comes to Australia. There is a certain migrant in Australia of a certain ethnic back ground that have children, that have a crime rate "7" times higher than the rest of the communtity. I think introducing an ethnic groupe into the community with a 7 times higher crime rate is not exceptable, just to please some do gooder groupes that have brain washed the younger generation that migration is all good.
Fact (7) A politicaly balanced view on migration by plitions is never put forward in fear of offending a ethnic groupe that maybe offended by the facts, That why you never here the true statistics of crime rates in australia in relation to ethnic groups.
Fact (8) If I was the primister of Australia, i would introduce the one baby per couple policy like china, to help reduce the problem of over population of Australia
Fact (9) even thoght Thailand has 10 times more fertile land than Australia, and only 3 times the population, and is not as iver populated as Australia, I think Thailand is also Over populated, and should start thing of ways to encourage thai people to have less children.

[Petrushkaukrop]

In ecosystems, it is the diverse nature of multiple species co-existing in balance that stregthens, not weakens, the system. Monocultures can suffer the fate of an outside invading entity that can wipe out the dominant (i.e., only) species that exists. Thus, if something wipes out the existing monoculture, there is nothing to replace it via natural selection. Ever been in a "forest" consisting of only one kind of tree with no underlying plant and animal life to support it? Makes for a very one-dimensional existence.

The same goes for humans within a culture. Diversity is what strengthens the system, not what makes it weak.

[euylvaygdq]

Hey Redbird, welcome back I think you had better tone it down a little though, Paul frowns on intellectuals.

Drop me a line when you get a chance. I want to hear your version of how the trip went. I already got the female version, minus the second half of course.

[Petrushkaukrop]

Thanks vc45. How come is it that every time I go on a trip to anywhere overseas I try to brainstorm whatever means humanly possible to live and work permanently in the country I visited and not have to go back to the humdrum life in the country I currently reside in? Anyone in Thailand or Vietnam looking for an environmental engineer?

Back to Paul_au's comments,... Paul, you state that you are a self-made (semi-?) millionaire and you have stated in the past that you are pro-capitalism. Yet you are anti-immigration. What I don't think you realize is that capitalism owes its existence on an overabundance of cheap labor, so that the capitalist can maximize his or her profits. Thus, the lower one can pay their workforce, the more profit there is to extract. Irony of ironies, Paul_au, is that you have become very successful, be it directly or indirectly, on the availability of cheap labor within the web of the Australian economy. And that cheap labor undoubtedly correlated to the influx of immigrants to your country. Therefore, you owe your success to that which you vehemently dislike, i.e., immigrants.

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Quote[/b] ]directly or indirectly, on the availability of cheap labor within the web of the Australian economy.

Australia has the 7th highest per capiter income in the world, I did not use the high labour cost of Australia, or the low labour cost of asia to become succesfull in business. My busines was importing second hand Japanese cars from high labour cost Japan. Australia once had big import duties on imported cars which made them exspensive, and there depreciation was low as people could not afford to replace them as often, In japan cars depreciated quickly as they were cheape and desposable, I could make a lot of money in the second hand depreciated price of these second hand cars from japan as they were right hand drive, Now this business is not finacialy viable as Australia has reduced it's tarrafs on cars so making cars in Australia cheape like in Japan, the world has now become a market ecconomy and it has become harder to make money in this way. after I finnished importing cars I started a high tech low labour intensive printing franchise, developping and selling printing small printing businesses all over australia. I then sold my franchise company and semi retired. I can tell you the cost of Australian labour was never a major factor in my business as the business structure was always capital intensive.
I would also gladly give 90% of my current assets away if it ment reducing Australia's population down to the levels of the 1920's and having exstinct animals such as the Tasmainian devel walking the planet again.

[Petrushkaukrop]

Fair enough, that in your case, you didn't directly profit from low labor costs in your country (or Japan), although I assert that capitalism on a grander scale requires poor people on one end in order for the capitalists at the other end to function/succeed.

[euylvaygdq]

Quote[/b] ]I add that in France, people who have a lot of money do not show it. It's a principle of good manners.

That is one good thing we Americans could learn from the French. Here, many of the nouveau riche (sp?) flaunt their wealth in a crude and unbecoming manner. It seems that they want to show the whole world that they have it made. They are also the ones who get robbed the most. There are exceptions; Bill Gates for example. To look at him, you would not suspect that he is the richest man in the world.

[Abnorbprootly]

The issue is too complex to be viewed in such simplistic terms. True, some farangs are a bad influence. There are foreigners who exploit the favorable exchange rates, and the normally good nature of the Thai people, in order to pursue their indulgences. At the other extreme, there are farangs who contriubte to the Thai economy by helping to develop industry and educational opportunities. There are also many farangs that have a great respect for Thai people and Thai culture. There are also old people living on fixed incomes who enjoy getting a little more for their money, while staying warm.

The Thai government is attempting to strike a delicate balance between welcoming those foreigners who want to enjoy the beauty of Thailand and discouraging those that want to exert a more negative influence. I am sure they are doing the best they can and everyone will not agree that what they are doing is best. That is just the way things are. IMHO