[zoolissentesy]

I guess that's why most sensei like a stiff tare.

[GreefeWrereon]

its a well known and often documented fact that all sensei are dirty old men.

[Beragagnu]

guess what even sensei are flawed....

At the end of the day if he was getting 'it on' in dojo you would have an issue, its his private buisness , just as if one of your work mates was doing the same would you kick off about it at work?

Sensei are human beings too, their personal actions maybe distasteful to you but at the end of the day your number one concern is to learn from your teacher, and perfect your technique, we are all flawed ,I am , Ive made personal choices and mistakes, but I try not to let them affect my budo.

my 2 p worth

[Erossycuc]

Unfortunately this happens all day and every where - people making choices that will hurt and offend others. The dojo is no protected zone for human behaviour - of any kind, good or bad.

Good thing, is that you have discovered your ethical compass and got that cleared out. Now YOU know how you would like to act. Good. Still you cant do anything to change that sensei's behaviour or to help his pregnant wife deal with it. It really is their head ace. You have to watch it though - and that's sad enough.

Learn from him what he has to teach - in kendo. And find another person to learn how to make a difference for people, near and dear, in a good way.

Good luck with your kendo!

[Tzqowwyt]

I think you should behave and/or think in the same way you would if you were at a business dinner and your boss, whom you knew to be married with pregnant wife, was "flirting" with female subordinates. For most people that would be "stay out of it" but if you have some special or particular interest in the situation, like if you were the head of HR for your company and you knew he was violating policy, then you might need to do something, or if it was your best friend, in which case you might want to say something to him; but in either event, posting it as a rumor on an internet website of what is actually a fairly limited audience where this could easily get back to people seems like about the worst approach. My opinion, since you asked for it, is to either keep it to yourself or man-up and bring it up to the guy; personally I think this stuff is best left off the internet.

[CULTDIAMONDS]

In all seriousness though, my point is not that he was right or wrong in his first post, but rather, that there's no need to attack him right off the bat.

That can be really off putting.

Did I just use a Brittish idiom? Must be all that Doctor Who I've been watching...

What would you like us to do, Kiss his a..?

In life, your first appearance or introduction will determine your outcome. First post and already accuse someone? not very nice in my book. Now that is real life for you.

[Sillaycheg]

Is nothing unless he was giving her mouth to mouth

Kidding

Flirting can mean a lot of things:“to court triflingly or act amorously without serious intentions”
Meaning it’s just play with no actual consequences

And I agree with what everyone here said …it’s none of your business…besides you can’t know the actual circumstances….
Flirting is essential for guys (and girls)… it reminds them of the one essential point in life.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
if this is the proper English expression and is not something to be posted on the internet

[MpNelQTU]

Don't know how you define "flirting". Some people are just flirtish by nature. But then again, I don't think most people would make a big fuss about it unless the sensei really did something inappropriate to the student...

Care to elaborate so we get a better idea of what was going on?

Or perhaps there are some jealousy involved on your part?

[Poothevokprot]

I would like to hear what you think...

Either -

a). The Sensei wants to bang the chick.

or b). He already is...

That's what I think...

[Finkevannon]

Things are a little out of perspective here in my opinion. I am an outrageous flirt. It is just part of who I am, and it doesn't mean anything except for a few laughs. I like flirting with all women, 20 to 80. If someone, such as the OP, thinks that this is bad then that is his problem, not mine. It is a very bad idea to assign your own views and project your own biases on to other people. This is a clear indicator of a closed mind, and a closed mind will severely hamper your progress in the Japanese arts.
People shouldn't pass judgement unless they've been elected to do so, and then only in a court of law.

[7UENf0w7]

Why is everyone attacking the guy (OP)? (Is it really so obvious to everyone in his country as to who he's talking about?) It's not like he used any names...

That being said, I can definitely see how what one person thinks of as flirting might in fact not actually be flirting.

Wouldn't it have been better to just say "well, its better not to make assumptions" or something like that?

When someone asks that kind of question, (or at least if I was the one asking) what I'd REALLY want is for someone to help me find a way to see (rationalize? see through an assumption?) that what looked like flirting actually wasn't. So that I'd feel better about what I saw (and so that I could regain the respect I had for such a person). Thats what I am understanding as "what do you think?".
But before knowing a darn thing, everyone starts attacking the OP...? Or making assumptions? Even if he's in the wrong, getting all nasty towards him doesn't help a bit.

its not actually

a "kendo" problem

until one starts making

it their problem

and now you

starts making it your problem

500 suburi for you now...(if you can..)

[FateHostera]

If you think you're upset now wait until you find pgsmith flirting with your grandmother.

[dasneycomrov]

Stuff like this is one of the reasons why I think the do in budo is BS. There seems to be plenty of examples of naughtiness which makes me really wonder how much "self improvement" results from training.

[corriffuniee]

Stuff like this is one of the reasons why I think the do in budo is BS. There seems to be plenty of examples of naughtiness which makes me really wonder how much "self improvement" results from training.

Well, you never know how bad those naughtiness would be without the training.

On the other hand, in some parts of this world, including parts of Asia and also Latin America, it's perfectly normal and socially tolerated for successful men to have a mistress or two in addition to the wife and kids.

[freevideoandoicsI]

On the other hand, in some parts of this world, including parts of Asia and also Latin America, it's perfectly normal and socially tolerated for successful men to have a mistress or two in addition to the wife and kids.

Even though it's taboo, it is my experience that this is perfectly the case in here. And it goes for unsuccessful men as well; cheating on one's wife, girlfriend, fling or whatever is just more common than I ever thought.

I'm so innocent.

[Belindanan]

There seems to be plenty of examples of naughtiness which makes me really wonder how much "self improvement" results from training.

So because a person is imperfect, they have not improved? Your logic is faulty. Without knowing where a person came from, you have no way to judge how far they have come. I could use the same sort of logic to dismiss the technical aspects of kendo, because after over 25 years of kendo, I still have a lot of trouble hitting my sensei's men. I must have been wasting my time...

Aside from which, all we've got is one anonymous drive-by posting. There are all kinds of motivations for such a public post, the majority of them no good.

[casinoboneerer]

Aside from which, all we've got is one anonymous drive-by posting. There are all kinds of motivations for such a public post, the majority of them no good.

Reminds me of that old story about Plato and Socrates.
(Text stolen from God knows where)
anyhoo,
In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC) Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?"

"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and..."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, even though you're not certain it's true?" The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued. "You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really"

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"

The man was defeated and ashamed. This is the reason Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem.




It also explains why he never found out that Plato was banging his wife.

[ensuppono]

So because a person is imperfect, they have not improved? Your logic is faulty. Without knowing where a person came from, you have no way to judge how far they have come. I could use the same sort of logic to dismiss the technical aspects of kendo, because after over 25 years of kendo, I still have a lot of trouble hitting my sensei's men. I must have been wasting my time...
.

True, I have no idea what someone's background is like, but over the past 16 years I have witnessed:

Instructors who participate in extra martial affairs
Instructors who engage in relations with underage students
Instructors with substance dependency problems
Instructors who have sold rank for money
Instructors who have embezzled club money (or engaged in questionable tax practices)
Instructors who have surrounded themselves with sycophants
Instructors who have verbally harassed students
Instructors who have repeatedly inflicted more pain than is necessary

Many of these people have excellent technical ability and can teach quite well. Since the premise of budo is supposedly self improvement, I would expect someone after a lifetime of budo practice to statistically be a better person than the average person. Perhaps "faulty" people are drawn to budo and see it as a means to fix those faults, but I am still wondering where these "better" people are.

[F1grandprix]

Instructors who participate in extra martial affairs

Hehehe how dare he!!

[Zdmlscid]

Many of these people have excellent technical ability and can teach quite well. Since the premise of budo is supposedly self improvement, I would expect someone after a lifetime of budo practice to statistically be a better person than the average person. Perhaps "faulty" people are drawn to budo and see it as a means to fix those faults, but I am still wondering where these "better" people are. That depends upon what you consider "budo". I also have run across some examples of poor behaviour. However, in the koryu arts, indeed in most Japanese sword arts dojo that I am familiar with, such behaviour is not tolerated. I know of more than one instructor that has been summarily tossed from their organization for their behaviour.

Budo is what you make of it. If someone is content to study with self proclaimed "masters", then they shouldn't expect to learn much about budo. Working hard with a worthwhile instructor is what puts the "do" in budo.