[popandopulus]

Kausik,
No need to apologise. Any aspect of indian films is welcome here (except of course Tamil Film Music for which we have a better place.)

I'll post on this topic later.

[BrifsGefel]

All of you are welcome to discuss lyrics too.

My favorite composers is SDB. Mind you, all his contemporaries were great too but IMO he was, let us say, the first among near-equals.

Even Shankar Jaikishan were a great duo. I think they were the MDs most well versed in WCM. It showed in their use of violins and their chord progressions.

Let me begin with a few songs that I think were good not only tune-wise but also in other technical aspects:
1. Ae dil mujhe bata de (very old song, I don't know which film; MD- Madanmohan) - an excellent WC piece repeated in both interludes.

2. Waqt ne diya - MD:SDB, sung by Geeta Dutt (was the film Pyaasa?). It had those typical olden day piano beats and a great bassy violin interlude.

3. Tum pukar lo - MD & singer- Hemant Kumar; I like it mainly for the lazy and romantic touch which Hemantda has given to this song while singing it. It includes a very good violin piece too. I also liked the chord progression for the pallavi.

4. Nakhrewali - (MD: SJ; singer-Kishore Kumar) amazing tune very well colored.

Of course what I have mentioned is merely infinitesimal. There's lots of further ground to cover.

[goldeneggs]

Nalini:
Thanks for reminding about the Lata-Manna Dey duet from the film Jyothi.It is a wonderful song like other songs in that movie.I think we should discuss real good songs which never became popular because the films flopped.
There is a very melodious duet by Rafi and Talat in a movie called Susila.Music is by C.Arjun.The song is "Gham ki andheri raat mein".Does anyone remember this song?There are two beautiful Talat-Lata duets in a little seen film called Prem Patra.Music is by Salil Chaudry.
Ramamurthy

[sleepergun]

Yes - if I too were to list all my favourites here, we might run out of the quota allocated for this site! To make it easier on myself, I'll start with categorizing them by MD's. Of course, S.D Burman happens to be one of my favourites too!

Jayen to Jayen Kahan (Talat - Taxi Driver)
Tere Mere Sapne (Rafi - Guide)
Piya Those (Lata - Guide)
Jalte Hain Jiske Liye (Talat - Sujatha)
Kali Ghata Chaye Mora Jiya Ghabraye (Asha - Sujatha)
Soch ke ye gagan jhoome (Lata and Manna Dey - Jyoti) - in my opinion, this is one of Burman's masterpieces - but not as well known as some of his other compositions.
Poocho na kaise (Manna Dey - Meri Soorat Teri Aankhen)
Mora Gora Ang Laile (Lata - Bandini)
Jane Kya Tune Kahee (Geeta Dutt - Pyasa)
Kayee Khwaab (Rafi - Teen Deviyan)
Aise to na Dekho (Rafi - Teen Deviyan)
Megha Chaaye Aadhi Raat (Lata - Sharmilee) - semi-classical song blended with western interludes
Kaise kahen Hum (Rafi - Sharmilee) (one of the most subtle renditions of Tilang)
Jeevan ki Bagiya (Lata and Kishore - Tere Mere Sapne)
Tere Mere Milan (Lata and Kishore - Abhimaan)
Nadiya Kinare (Lata - Abhimaan)
Lena Hoga janam hame kayi kayi baar (Kishore - Prem Pujari)

Love his singing too:

Sun More Bandhu Re (Sujatha)
More Sajan Hai Us par (Bandini)
Dheere se aana Bagiyan mein (non-filmy - later sung by Kishore in Prem Pujari?)

I'm sure I'm missing a few of his other gems. Does anyone remember a dance scene in Guide, set in a village - where Waheeda does a snake dance with another woman - the music (especially the drums) is awesome.

S.R Kaushik, I believe "Ae dil mujhe bata de" is from Bhai Bhai.

Later, with more of my favourites

[dr-eavealer]

yeah nalini,
that piece from guide was awesome. but then, everything about the film was. say what, why don't we start discussing the music of Guide? its a great album, probably the best representative of SDB.

[Psymoussy]

rs: Sure, go right ahead.

[diutuartina]

Topic suggested by SR Kaushik on Mon Feb 1 14:34:08 .


First of all, an apology. This section is on films but I am taking the liberty of inserting this topic because
1. There is a thread on Malayalam Film Music right here.

2. I think this topic deserves a separate thread and I found no better place to put it.

Getting to the topic itself: I think old HFM MDs were a highly capable lot. No, I'm not referring to just tunes. The orchestral colorations, although not (IMO) up to the standard of IR, were pretty good.

I'd like to discuss some of their achievements.

[RSAccountssy]

Does anyone know/remember the 1st stanza of the song Ive given below? Ive given the 2nd stanza...


is rang badalti duniyaa mein
insaan kI nIyat thIk nahin
niklaa na karO tum saj-dhaj kar
Imaan kI nIyat thIk nahin

kaandhE sE hataa lO sar apnaa
yeh pyaar muhabbat rahnE dO
kashti kO sambhaalO maujOn sE
tUfaan kI nIyat thIk nahin

[Teligacio]

hmmm... Wasnt Sahir also the lyricist for the wonderful songs of Guru Dutt's pyaasaa?

Apart from
yeh mahlon yeh takhtOn yeh taajOn ki duniyaa

one song which really stays in mind from that film is

jinhE naaz hai hind par woh kahaan hain?

Cram: Do you have access to lyrics of this one?

[Sopsneork]

bull, I believe the 1st and 3rd stanzas go like this:


yE dil hai badaa hI divaanaa
CHEdaa na karO is paagal kO
tum sE na sharaarat kar baitE
naadaan ki nIyat thIk nahin


main kaise KHuda-haafiz keh doon
mujhko to kisI ka yakIn nahin
chup jao hamaarI aakhOn mein
bhagvaan ki nIyat thIk nahin



Pretty lyrics.

[gundas]

kaushik,

if we are going to do something like song discussion, then i would like to discuss abt the following songs.
aap ke nazaron ne samjha pyaar ke
ye zindhagi usiki hai jho

[MeeveStesia]

now for the song i have been meaning to take up:
film gumraah, sahir's lyrics set to tune by ravi and sung by mahendra kapoor for sunil dutt.

chalo ek baar phir se
ajnabi ban jaaye hum dono
chalo ek baar

na main tumse koi ummeed rakhoon
dilnawaazi ki
na tum mere taraf dekho chalak angaar
nazron se
na mere dil ki dhadkan ladkadaaye
meri baaton se
na zaahir ho tumhaari kashm-a-kash ka
raaz nazron se

this song simply blows me away every time i hear it. the lyrics, by the incomparable sahir, are believed to be autobiographical (the story is that he was in love with amrita pritam, but they couldn't come together. he promptly took to the bottle and when he once met her at a party, he sang these lines. of course, the story is probably apocryphal, but it could well have been true, when we take a look at the lines, which could have only written by a man who has lost in love, or one whose genius was unmatched (sahir was reputed to be both).

[Seilehogshell]

i can't possibly list my favs because there are just too many of them, but what the hell, let's begin.

kabhi kabhi mere dil mein - Mukesh
o manjhi re - Kishore
zindagi bhar nahin bhoolegi - Rafi
mere mehboob tujhe - Rafi
o sajna barkha bahaar aayee - Lata
aaja ree main to kab se khadi - Lata
chalo ek baar phir se - Mahendra Kapoor
tum pukar lo - Hemant Kumar
yeh raat yeh chandni - Hemant Kumar
and every song that talat mehmood sang.
where's everybody, i am dying to get started.

[Immusaatmonna]

Wow! Thanks Raj for remind me again of those beautiful lyrics!

I have a doubt though. Ive always been thinking of the lines as

pyaar koi bOl nahin
pyaar awaaz nahin
Ek khamOshi hai sunti hai
kahI jaatI hai

Is it kahaa kartI hai or kahI jaatI hai
can anyone clarify?

[Guloqkcm]

Saw discussion earlier about this song, couldnt resist posting this :


waqt nE kiya
kyaa hasin sitam
tum rahE na tum
hum rahE na hum

bEkaraar dil is tarhaa milE
jis tarhaa kabhi hum judaa na thE
tum bhi khO gayE
hum bhi khO gayE
Ek raah par
chalkE dO kadam (waqt nE kiyaa...)

jaayEngE kahan sUjhtaa nahin
chal padE magar raastaa nahin
kyaa talaash hai
kuchh pataa nahin
bun rahE hain dil
khaab dam-ba-dam (waqt nE kiyaa...)

[ulnanVti]

I've been looking for lyrics of this song for a long time. Never found it on any hindi film music site on the net.

There is this lovely song from the film Deedar-E-yaar which goes

tumkO dEkhaa tO samajh mein aayaa
lOg kyon but kO khudaa maantE hain
pehlE anjaan thE ab jaantE hain ...

anyone heared this?

[ClapekDodki]

I agree. GUIDE was a landmark in HFM. IMO, Kishore Kumar sang his best songs for S.D. Burman, esecially the ones before ARADHNA.

[MyLeva]

Wow! Am I glad to see this thread. Bumped into it only today.

Talking of Hemant Kumar's creations,
in the same Khamoshi ,KK's "Woh shaam" is one of his very best. Good chorus arrangement too! My most favourite composition of Hemant's is "Kuch dil ne Kahaa, Kuch bhee nahin" by Lata for "Anupama". This is Lata at her sweetest and romantic best. The tune is just a killerand overalll a very sensitive composition. The same movie had songs like Lata's "Dheere Dheere machal Aye Dil-e-Bequaraar" and his own "Yaa dil ki suno duniyawalon". Who can forget his "Kahin deep jale kahin dil" and "Mera dil ye pukare aaja" , both in "Bees saal baad".There was another super Hemant-Lata duet (of course composed by Hemant himself) which goes like "Dekho woh chaand chupke kartha hai kya ishaare".

My other hot favourite HFM composers are SDB, Roshan (my favourite melody maker), Madan Mohan, C Ramachandra, Sajjad Hussain, Anil Biswas, Salilda and RC Boral-Punkaj Mullick. Naushad Ali too was great ,but at times found his melodies lacking that extra bit of emotional touch. SJ were never my favourite composers as their base melodies except for a few like "Rasik Balma", "Dil ki girah Khol do" , "Mujh ko apne gale lagaa lo" were very weak and they followed a formula. Most of their songs would have tunes only for 2 lines. In the sense, there would no strong anu-pallavi and the stanza would be a one-liner (tunewise) and would get repeated 4 or 5 times and then loop back to the pallavi. Their tunes were a bit too simplistic for them to be ranked along with the other greats though commercially they were tops along with OP Nayyar. I am just stating my opinions and hope I have not hurt the sentiments of fellow DFers. Some SDB favourites for Kaushik & Co . (Other than Guide)

Tandi hawayen by Lata. (naujavan)
Remember this was copied in Tamil as "Konjum puraave" sung by MLV.
Chaand phir nikla (Lata) (Paying Guest)
Yehi meri manzil (Lata) (House No 44)
Thum na Jane (Lata) (sazaa)
All songs of "Tere Ghar Ke Saamne".
and many more.

I loved his love-duets , so endearing
kora kaagaz thaa (aradhana)
aaj madhosh hua jaye re (Sharmilee)
Dekho Roota na karo (tere Ghar ke saamne)
Aye maine kasam lee (Tere mere sapne)

Would like to discuss Roshan, my all-time favourite in my future postings.

[oB8LI2kP]

sorry wrong! that should be
shall we discuss the following songs

[NarunapyCalry]

continuing bull's good work

chahe banaa do
chahe mitaa do
mar bhi gaye to
denge duaen

ud udke kahegi khaak sanam
ye dard-e-muhabbat sehne do
mujhe tumse mohabbat ho gayi hai
mujhe palkon ki chaaon mein rehne do
ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar...