P_R, Woody Allen padam paarthalae Jazz cover pannidalam http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

Roshan, I take it you are trolling others else one word actually two Mumbai Xpress http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif...we don't have any Jazz culture as such to imbibe and emulate it in its true form in our OSTs..Bombay had a vibrant Jaaaz scene in early 30s so when presented with an opportunity say like in Mumbai Xpress he has pushed the envelope like no other Indian composers has done before/after and whatever he has done in Jazz with this limited opportunity dwarfs all others..If and when other composers come up with an album of such quality then we can talk http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/thumbsup.gif

Ada !

^seriously can't think of any TFM composer ever doing an album of such magnitude..may be Ramamurthy's Raaga based spiritual Jazz/fusion album done in 60s even then he botched it up by using Veena/Tabala/Para Molam/Udukkai in the name of doing a fusion.

Eh... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif
Jazz in tamil film music-nu MSV paththi oruththar Dhool-la oru thirteen part series ezhudhi irukkAr.
2005-la vandhuchchu. Bookmark paNNi irukkEn. Indhiya vallarasu aaguradhukkuLLa padichchiruvEn.

Even I like. I gave that as an example of a sample of 'exact' usage which I can recognize. (btw the original is a song called Frenesi..sameebathula oru Woody padam title-la kEttEn)

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Inge pesttu irukkuravanga, Jazz theriyaathu, limited to cinematic listening nnu solreenga, same time, Raja was not true to that genre nnum adichi vidreenga! how is both possible!! Raja's contributions to Folk, Jazz, WCM, is well discussed and appreciated all over the web. It is well known that if he takes up a genre, Mavane he can easily climb to its top notch purest form. That's it.

Simply asking, the amount of accolades raja had received for his compositions in WCM, ICM, folk, did the other MD in question receive the same amount of showers? in the said genres qawwaali and sufi? Nope is the answer given by @paviraksha and other tweeters who are well versed in the genres

Somebody like BalamuraliKrishna is of full praise on Raja's both Compositional knowledge and also Carnatic contributions. Did something happen opposite side??

Though not Jazz, would like to post these

http://boomkat.com/downloads/536112-...aaja-fire-star
http://www.factmag.com/2012/05/11/el...ilms-compiled/
https://twitter.com/kameshratnam/sta.../photo/1/large

Vellaikaaran sonnnaalaachum puriyuthaannu paappom

suththam. IR-Oda inventiveness-aiyE ippadi dhaan approach paNReengannA.... nemba kastam.

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Yeah. ippo dhaan padichikittu irukkEn http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

I was watching Radio Days and heard paLinginaal oru maaLigai. orE thrill...google paNNi Vedavin vazhi kidaiththa Frenesi-yai download paNNikittEn http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

idhukku yEn ivLO disucssion? Super singer musicians-E sollttaaingaLLa. Oru vELai Raaja avinga kitta dhaan kaththukkiRaarO ennamO http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif

Staying true to the genre remmba kastam pOlaiyE http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/shaking.gif

ippO dhaan ponmEni kEttuttu varEn. ada pOngapaa..

monkey chatter http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...musicsmile.gif

Idhukku ethukku lol http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif AR Jazz and MSV Jazz are totally different (in case you have got the knack of it). Am a big fan of MSV's western numbers (and they mostly have the rock and roll style) and I have a seperate collection of those songs. Palinginaal oru maaligai ellaam thavazhurra vayasuleye kaettaachu http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif When it comes to pushing the boundaries, it is AR and ONLY AR because he made a Rangeela, Hello Mr, Jane tu, Strawberry Kannae, jillunnu oru kaadhal or what ever the Jazz and various other stuff he created reach worldwide. I believe that being truthful to the genre is one of the qualifications an artist should have in order to get that recognition. Summa mixed masala ellaam kandukka maattaanga, local blog levelOda niRuthikka vaendiyathuthaan.


Even I like. I gave that as an example of a sample of 'exact' usage which I can recognize. (btw the original is a song called Frenesi..sameebathula oru Woody padam title-la kEttEn) Oh ! I have heard some of MSV's western numbers have got some direct influence of western flicks. As I said I am a huge fan of MSV's western numbers. In last years' Vijay Music awards, there was an excellent medley done by some of the contemparary PB singers, as a tribute to MSV. That was a one of the best live performances I have seen in recent times.

If someone really knows jazz, their first reaction would be Raja's jazz is more jazz than Rahman's jazz http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif Because by very definition jazz is undefinable !!! Basically there is 'something' we can call jazz but it is not definable. The boundaries keep getting pushed. As groucho mentioned earlier, what Rahman has done in 'Jaane Tu..' or 'Joota Hi Sahi' is sticking very close to the genre. The traditional 'jazz' sound is maintained there but for someone who has heard lot of standard jazz of Armstrong etc, there is nothing much there which transcends their work. Infact there is almost no signature of Rahman in the song from 'Joota Hi Sahi'. I had a major argument with Milliblog Karthik about a 'Joota Hi Sahi' song regarding this issue. He felt that it showed Rahman's greatness because it had no Rahman signature !!! Whereas I felt that lack of signature is equivalent to not internalizing a genre.

Coming from a jazz viewpoint, I guess strictly speaking Raja would be pushing the boundaries of jazz, since jazz is all about mixing new genres and yet maintaining a 'jazz' sound. Now this 'jazz' sound is the one which is very very difficult to define. Most of people, when talking about jazz, only think of smooth jazz most of the time. But there lot of Brazilians jazz players and others whom my friend had introduced me to and they they sound very different from Coltrane and Armstrong. So from a jazz enthusiast point of view, the way Raja puts his own stamp is truly keeping with the spirit of Jazz. A 'poo poothadhu' with his style inbuilt into it strictly is pushing the boundaries of jazz.

Mumbai Express has already been mentioned. A few songs which gives the 'jazz' flavor while maintaining Raja signature are here:






All of these will fall under the 'Raja Jazz' genre.

The problem with sticking close to the genre is that you will end up being compared with the standards in that genre. For example, I don't see any reason why I should listen to Rahman's song from 'Joota Hi Sahi' when it has no stamp of his. I might as well go and listen to Coltrane, Armstrong or Ella Fitzgerald. Whereas in Raja's case I am listening to jazz as conceived by him. And believe me, jazz music allows you do it. (You may not be allowed to do your own 'carnatic' or 'hindustani' music but in jazz, yes you can do it.)

Boundary ellAm Raguman vandhadhukku appuram dhaan push paNNadhA sonnadhukku http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif. thappu dhaan http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/rotfl.gif pOttirukkaNum.idhula only ellAm vERa sErththu vitrukkeenga.

nallAvE theriyum http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif
ennamO DJ mix maadhiri solReenga. unga approach puriyudhu. idhukku mEla pEsuradhukku oNNumE illai.

And for Prabhu,

Here's that rocking rock and roll, MSV tribute medley performed in Vijay Music awards. It was a Dhool! performance. Sema energy and excellent pick of songs.

Thank You ROshan.
Office-la irukkEn, innaikku homework idhu dhaan.
nEththu homework (MSV-SPB playlist) vERa baakki irukku.

YaethO unga approach mathavanga approach ellaam engaLukku puriyaatha maathiri http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

Rahman levelukku innum yaarum push paNNala. Idhukku neenga http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...hysterical.gif kooda pOttukkalaam. Kaasaa paNamaa http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

Dont miss it ! IIRC, I recommended this video at that time itself Neenga kandukkalanu nenekiRaen. It needed a palinginaal oru maaligai to convince you. Good ! BTW, can you share that link for original of palinginaal oru maaLigai?

No ROshan, I mean it sincerely with no condescension or anything like that.
Understanding that you do NOT think highly of Raja's monstrous subversion of genres helps me understand why you don't think of him as the greatest envelope-pusher there ever was.

ivvaLavu naaL 'yEn edhaRku eppadi' mode-la irundhEn. 'Oru genre eduththukittA adhukku uNmaiyA irukkaNum'nu neenga solRadhulErndhu lightA unga POV puriyudhu. That's all I mean.

Talking about Jazz, I love this car. But mileage romba kodukka maatengudhu and also its a Petrol car-nu kElvi paten.

http://www.hondacarindia.com/wallpap...jazz_4bnew.jpg

Anyhow indha car vaangi adhula NEPV songs kettukite drive pannanum-dradhu en aasai. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif


P_R's note: yOv, ippo dhaan pArththEn. kalavara boomi-la kaaththu vaanga vandhiyA?