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Suresh pOnRa periyavanga vandhu theLivu paduthura varaikkin yEdhAvadhu pEsittu iruppOm

hello mister edhirkatchi, veNNilA veNNilA both are jazz. oru maadhiri lazy flow feel irukkum. But that does not fully encompass all that is jazz. It is much much more subtle. Violin vicky gave the examples about the beats jazz waltz in his article. The example of Coltrane playing: these are a few of my favourite things from sound of music. And then when you listen to the aruvadai naaL BGM you see *EXACTLY* how he has taken it and used.

So if you are looking for a whole song with a lazy flow feel, or paLinginaal oru maaLigai then nothing occurs to me (perhaps it will to others). But I am saying that is a very restrictive definition. And with Raja you are looking at someone who has taken a form and has appropriated it in a manner where one marvels at the mastery of how he has managed to port it (adhAvadhu idhellAm enakkE puriyira aLavukku). I mean, not just jazz, pretty much every type of music he takes it and makes it his own - adhu dhaan avarOda thozhilE.

avaraippOyi inimE dhaan jazz-la aanaa-aavannA padikkaNumngra range-ku sonneengannA ....so sad http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

Ithukku per thaan unga oorala local blog aa!?

Thanks for the link P_R, never seen it.

MEPV digs
 

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Oho? Btw qawwali llam context kedaama evlo pannanumo panniyach. Indha jazz payapulla lil tricky. Y nna vaasikkaravan
Nemba improvise panna vudanum. Appo composer,context ellaame vaikkinu poodum. Enga start eppidi endunnu puriyaadhu. Oru straight jacketed composition style which is Raaja's won't easily accmdate dat kinda freewheeling easily.
Hence raaja learning to compose for jazz w.o. Losing the composer's signature.
Idhula nakkal panradhukku onnum illai. Still it's a free country. Even kings r fair game.

ennamo idhu dhaan modho thadava jazz elements incorporate pannirukkaar nu paravala oru thappaana bimbam uruvaakkappattirukku.

And yes, agree with Sei. Form-e illaama odikitte irukkum, adhellaam films la potta!... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif And in its essential form, it's very difficult to sustain interest for an untrained ear (unless it's gelled with other forms like rock etc)
And straight jacketed style-laye namma aalu "Gum sum" (Pa) second interlude la kalakkiyiruppaaru. Illenna safe-a common big band jazz templates la pottu poitte irukkalaam like lesser MDs, Raaja is beyond that

Sufi, kulfi, etc etc... yeah, Raaja has a lot to learn - from US http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_lol.gif

Vaazhga jananaayagam http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../notworthy.gif

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podhumakkaL nalan karudhi oru lingu: http://solvanam.com/?p=19324

kaNNan vandhu pAduginRaan saxophone ellAm enna vagai?
rum bum bum trumfet?

pala examples peeRikittu varudhu...again atleast enakkE

Of course the localization/adaptation/eternal sunshine paththi ellAm periyavanga niRaiya solli irukkaanga. irundhaalum naan eppadi purinjikkittEn-nu sonnA, pinnAla varra sandhadhigaLukku payanpadumEnnu solREn: KopurangaL Saivadhillai SV Segar maadhiri instrument-ai mAththi kEttu pArththu oru siladhu lightA puriyum: netrikkaN BGM violin-lErndhu eduththu sax-la yOsichchu pArunga.

Saint Louis-la kEttA saak aayiruvaanga
New Orleans-la kEttA negizhndhu pOyiruvaanga

Of course, naan uLariyirukka/ thappA-purinjikittu irukku voipukaL adhigam.
Pure jazz kEttA lightA thookkam varum. paLingkinaal oru maaLigai range-layE maindain paNNikkiRadhu.
So periyavanga theLivu paduththunga, uruppadiyA therinjikkiRadhukku oru vaaippA idhai maaththikkalaam.

I got familiar with Jazz music only after listening to some of AR songs - the interest in fact started with Jillendru Oru Kaadhal. During a Super Singer Junior rehearsal - this song and it's Jazz merits were discussed in detail by qualified musicians such as Stephen Devassy there. That got me hooked and went on exploring other Jazz songs of AR. One in Rangeela - (they call it street Jazz, but I donno the difference between Street Jazz and other Jazz). Strawberry KaNNae, Hello Mr Ethirkatchi, his work in Jane Tu Jaane Na, are all excellent piece of work on Jazz (if thats what is called Jazz). I am not musically trained but kaetta udanae oru effect - oh this is what you call Jazz, nalllaa irukkae appadinnu. I dont think IR had ever tried anything closer to these stuff in terms of Jazz style. thathOm thallaangu thathOm paattula slight'a oru effect varum. But I feel it was more towards Rock and Roll (even rambam is more of Rock and Roll. And in Tamil I prefer MSV's rock and roll type songs to these). antha paattula konjam appadi varum, intha paattula konjam ippadi varum ellaam not convincing for me. Appadi paartha Thaman koodaathaan Jazz pOttirukkaar.

And all those Jazz style songs, though the style were not very familiar to prior to the arrival of AR, were well received by our fans. When it comes to pushing the boundaries, AR is unmatcheable.

And you are mentioning about having things confined to palinginaal oru maaligai stuff (I like that song very much but that's different). That's pitty.

ada, idha vittuteengale http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

My head spinning. Tattum talAnggu tattOm?????? All those so-called disco songs of late 70s/early80s are Jazz manifestation-ungga. I was introduced to jazz by my talaivar. He almost became jazz pianist till "acting career came along and ruined my career". It was a concert by jazz musicians honoring Eastwood that I really started enjoying it, and went out buying CDs of Monk, Dizzie, Ellington, Armstrong, and a couple of others. Then, I realised that goddam fast paced so called disco music by IR that didn't sound disco to me earlier was goddam jazz influenced gems! Oh man....

Early examples:

Ennadi meenatchi
sorgam mathuvile
Many many John Barry/James Bondesque background score that I kept talking about here and there (Watch Bhairavi - sue me if you can't hear Big Band sound).

What ARR did was to stay true to the genre, hello Mr. Ethirkatchi was a disappointment to me because it was pure jazz of the, well, Ella Fitzgerald/Nat Cole vattam, not the jazz of MSV/TKR vattam. But on its own, its an awesome song.

IR blended the sound, the rhythm, the whatchamacallits of TFI and gave Jazz a still unnamed new sub-genre.

Grouch,

The point is how far IR can stay true to the genre. adhellaam paNNa ethunaiyO paer irukkaanga - nammaa aaLu avar style'la different'a local levelukku pOduRa kadhai ellaam - just sappai kattu, which any body can come up with.