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Old 10-22-2005, 08:00 AM   #1
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While I admire Kamal for his passion towards cinema and the way he showcased his coming-to-his-own-truths through his films, I would immensely enjoy if someone with decent knowledge of religion snub and question his attitude towards them , just like he does to his characters in the movies. As far as I can infer, neither he nor the 'religious' characters that he snubs in his movies have any religious knowledge except the regular religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) of normal people.

A set of interviews with someone on the lines of Cho (just an example) would be nice. The other side has perpetually been shown weak (or weakened by his writing.)

Anyway, I dream on.
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:00 AM   #2
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digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression
so doesnt that set the wrong example that you wont be antagonised if you resort to violence? isnt this the very thing to be antagonised by anyone who believes in democracy?
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Old 03-06-2006, 08:00 AM   #3
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kalyan, that was a mock para for what passes of a sociological critique nowadays. Kamal gets it from both sides.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:00 AM   #4
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kalyan,

the diehard KH fan should have been dead long before UPO ... too late :P
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:30 AM   #5
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Default Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films
digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:48 AM   #6
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irir123,
அதைத்தான் அவர் ஓப்பனாவே "எங்க வீட்டுப்பொண்ணு தானே கஷ்டப்படும்"னு சொல்லீட்டாரே? (மணிரத்னம்-பம்பாய்-வன்முறை-மணிக்கு சொல்லப்பட்ட புத்திமதி இத்யாதி)
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:51 AM   #7
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"chi dam bram!" என சிறு வட்டத்துக்குள்ளேயே வெளிப்படும் அவரது வீரம் நகைப்புக்குறியது.
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:29 PM   #8
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"chi dam bram!" என சிறு வட்டத்துக்குள்ளேயே வெளிப்படும் அவரது வீரம் நகைப்புக்குறியது.


in the overall analysis, his courageous themes are courageous only coz he knows quite well that the communities he is trying to 'expose' wud never do to him, what a certain other community is likely to do if he were to rub them on the wrong side !
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Old 07-13-2010, 12:35 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by irir123 digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression
so doesnt that set the wrong example that you wont be antagonised if you resort to violence? isnt this the very thing to be antagonised by anyone who believes in democracy? wrong example, right example dichotomy does not matter here! as far as one can antagonise some communities since a convenient combination of a safety net as well as 'artistic' accolades and 'arivu jeevi' pattams are assured for doing so (!), who cares ?!
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:39 PM   #10
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all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..

say, even in Anbe Sivam.. there are many "good" hindu characters.. but nasser being a hindu irks many for no good reason..

btw.. we are a big hindu majority country... so the bias is in the eyes of the viewer...
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:51 PM   #11
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irir,

Unnai pol oruvan is termed as anti - muslim...some people think its anti hindu

the movie has a Indian muslim, who speaks and acts against the nation accusing that the nation is not taking care of the minorities.

what you expect from him?
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:17 PM   #12
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say, even in Anbe Sivam.. there are many "good" hindu characters.. but nasser being a hindu irks many for no good reason..
wrt anbe sivam,

there may be any hindu characters, but only nasser is shown to chant hindu hymns while shown to perform villainous acts.

and there is one sister Vanessa and her group who are shown as the epitome of piety and caring, and they are also shown to pray for the protagonist, invoking the god they believe in.

now you are free to decide which religion is portrayed in bad light.

y havent we seen in any KH movie in the last two decades where a hindu priest is shown to be pious, caring and compassionate to his fellow human beings? leave along brahmin priests, even the village priest in Virumaandi is shown as committing perjury in the court of law
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:33 PM   #13
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what abt that lady in the hill ??

Nasser is not a brahmin in this movie.. if he is a gounder, does it mean that Kamal exposed or vilified gounders??

in dasa, the name of the villain is Christian FLetcher and he does pray to god in the movie.. even shows his middle finger in his marriage scene.. so whats thaT??

in Mahanadi, the most notorious character is Thulukkaanam ..

and there are many more examples..

ofcourse brahmins have been "exposed" in some movies.. may be bcos he is also from one such family..
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:44 PM   #14
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what abt that lady in the hill ??

Nasser is not a brahmin in this movie.. if he is a gounder, does it mean that Kamal exposed or vilified gounders??

in dasa, the name of the villain is Christian FLetcher and he does pray to god in the movie.. even shows his middle finger in his marriage scene.. so whats thaT??

in Mahanadi, the most notorious character is Thulukkaanam ..

and there are many more examples..

ofcourse brahmins have been "exposed" in some movies.. may be bcos he is also from one such family..
the lady on the hill is not shown to invoke some god and pray for the protagonist. but nasser is shown to invoke a hindu God and prays against the protagonist. and vanessa prays for the protagonist to the god she believes in.

gounders too are hindus right? nasser was shown as a particularly pious person.

wrt, Christin Fletcher, there is another character in the movie (vincent poovaragan) who is shown as the epitome of goodness.

Thulukkanam is a Hindu name, FYI

and what are the other examples?

if he can 'expose' brahmins (to use your own words), what stops him from exposing more sinister individuals from other communities? especially when he doesnt even consider himself as a brahmin or a hindu?

dig

///being a brahmin is not by birth, but by virtues. KH was never one, IMHO///

end dig.
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:53 PM   #15
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kalyan,

the diehard KH fan should have been dead long before UPO ... too late :P
better late than never
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:14 PM   #16
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all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:16 PM   #17
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Courage or not, the question to be asked is, why don't some of us ask questions about our kamminaattis (being theist or atheist is immaterial). Fear > Hypocrisy/connivance
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:28 PM   #18
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exactly anban

The initial riot scenes in hey raam is enough !
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:03 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by Anban all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said hey ram was a balanced film. but that hardly justifies the potshots in his other movies.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:10 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik) Originally Posted by Anban all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said hey ram was a balanced film. but that hardly justifies the potshots in his other movies. kamal clearly has anti-brahmin, anti-hindu agenda in most of his movies but its ok as long as it gels with the narration but is very poor narration when it sticks out for the sake of it - ex: nasser in anbe sivam(in hospital scene): naa aandavana vendikkuren, nee sethhu po (not verbatim)

where is mrs.mani-a ketta vaarthaila thittina P_R :P
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