[Beerinkol]

Richard Dawkins targets the catholics too.

Historically, every atheist writer/filmmaker primarily critique their own background and where they come from..

[HedgeYourBets]

Richard Dawkins targets the catholics too.

Historically, every atheist writer/filmmaker primarily critique their own background and where they come from..

and historically they get shunned by their communities, nothing wrong in the reaction anyway

IMHO, an atheist who keeps speaking about atheism through whatever the media resources available to him is only as bad as a tele evangelist, the only thing is that he is advertising / promoting a different brand of product.

[softy54534]

Originally Posted by kid-glove Richard Dawkins targets the catholics too.

Historically, every atheist writer/filmmaker primarily critique their own background and where they come from..

and historically they get shunned by their communities, nothing wrong in the reaction anyway

IMHO, an atheist who keeps speaking about atheism through whatever the media resources available to him is only as bad as a tele evangelist, the only thing is that he is advertising for a different product. There's some truth in this (although I have expressed reservations on the specificities in regards to Dawkins' work - it's his line of study for decades now), except I don't see how it applies to filmmakers who cater to a largely theistic society. I know 'advertising for a different product' here especially throws a political connotation in regards to TN politics. Let's leave it at that..

[LottiFurmann]

Are we forgetting Hey! Ram, which to my mind isn't about 'normal people', 'regular belief' or 'weak' in any sense of the word..

[PhillipHer]

Leaving out , kamals criticism on hinduism, I dont like his intellectual dialogues in his movies.

This was not the case in his late 80's and 90's movies...infact till avvai shanmugi..

[Slonopotam845]

Are we forgetting Hey! Ram, which to my mind isn't about 'normal people', 'regular belief' or 'weak' in any sense of the word..

....it spks for itself

[Peptobismol]

அப்பாடா, after a long time, இப்போ தான் thread களை கட்டி இருக்கு

Fee_aar, compli, plum, equa, TM, sriman, Roshan, Thamiz.... everybody is invited to join the party

Bala, அடுத்த partக்கு title யோசிக்க ஆரம்பிங்க

[Beerinkol]

Leaving out , kamals criticism on hinduism, I dont like his intellectual dialogues in his movies.

This was not the case in his late 80's and 90's movies...infact till avvai shanmugi..

"god is thr or not"..this vaadham was ameturish in dasa...didnt gel...but his take on hindu people n some of the films has to b accepted...namme veetliye azhukku irukkumbodhu edhukku matha veete pathi pesanum...

[Fegasderty]

Are we forgetting Hey! Ram, which to my mind isn't about 'normal people', 'regular belief' or 'weak' in any sense of the word..

It never occurred to me that Hey Ram was really asking deep religious (not humanitarian) questions. We do have Amjad and Gandhi shown as men of fortitude, although I didn't see it as being derived from one's own religion, only inspite of it. Also, there is the scene with the astrologer played by VS Raghavan, again mocked by Saketh's response, which I think were quite valid, but didn't get a equally valid response from the other side (which I think exists).

I doubt if there has ever been an religious person in any movie, who bases his intelligence, inner strength, and common sense on religion itself. Gandhi, I believe, was one such man, although I don't know if he has ever been portrayed so.

[Beerinkol]

மத்தளம்னா ரெண்டு பக்கத்துலேர்ந்தும் இடி விழுகத்தான் செய்யின்.

Let me attempt something...

Thulukkanam is a Hindu name, FYI

சென்னைப்பகுதியிலுள்ள தாழ்த்தப்பட்ட மக்களே பொதுவாக வைக்கும் துலுக்காணம் எனும் பெயர் கொண்ட வார்டனிடம் வைதீக பார்ப்பனன் பஞ்சாபகேசனும், ஆதிக்கசாதியைச் சேர்ந்த கிருஷ்ணசாமியும் வதை படுவதாகக் காட்டும் குயுக்தி அவதானிக்கத்தக்கது.

துலுக்காணம் அறுவெறுக்கத்தப்படி கடிதத்தில் சிறுநீர் கழிப்பதாகக்காட்டுவது திண்ணியத்தை தந்திரமாகத் திருப்பிப் போடுவதைத் தவிற வேறென்ன?

estra estra estra

ஒரு கொடும்பாவி பார்சல்..

[Big A]

namme veetliye azhukku irukkumbodhu edhukku matha veete pathi pesanum...

very true, the world will be a much better place if every community practices this, rather than pointing fingers at others

[Slonopotam845]

துலுக்காணம் அறுவெறுக்கத்தப்படி கடிதத்தில் சிறுநீர் கழிப்பதாகக்காட்டுவது திண்ணியத்தை தந்திரமாகத் திருப்பிப் போடுவதைத் தவிற வேறென்ன?

but the chronology of the events prove otherwise.

this is nothing but a hidden agenda of targetting KH for all and sundry, since the ThiNNiyam incident didnt happen till the late 90s whereas the movie got reeased in Jan 1994.

now dont bring something ridiculous like the ThiNNiyam incident was orchestrated by the upper caste people as a retaliation to the movie 'Mahanadhi'

[Peptobismol]

"ஒரு கொடும்பாவி பார்சல்.."

[Slonopotam845]

My 2 cents:Will not accuse KH of an hidden agenda but it is also true that his critiques are more against hindu beliefs/texts and AFAIR he does not take on other religions with the same gusto.

k-g has a point that rebellion is most likely to take place against things you are familiar with/forced to practise/more frequently debated but at the same time as an intelligent person( in the real sense),a time has to come when you have to take an overall view of things instead of getting restricted.

A bias is more likely to seep in and KH these days, on religion,speaks more like an hypocritical politician than a thinker.

Girish Karnad,U R Ananthmurthy and the likes are also same case.

As somebody pointed out KH needs to have a debate with somebody like Cho or anybody with a good knowledge who can answer questions instead of going on and on with his prejudices.

BTW,am shocked that incl myself there are quite a few who can be so harsh on his beliefs but at the same time are 'theevira'fans.

Idhu engalukku credit-a ille KH-ukka

[Lillie_Steins]

BTW,am shocked that incl myself there are quite a few who can be so harsh on his beliefs but at the same time are 'theevira'fans.

Idhu engalukku credit-a ille KH-ukka

Good kostin!

[Big A]

மத்தளம்னா ரெண்டு பக்கத்துலேர்ந்தும் இடி விழுகத்தான் செய்யின்.

Ha ha, well said!

[Drugmachine]

kalyan, that was a mock para for what passes of a sociological critique nowadays. Kamal gets it from both sides.

P_R,

got confused

[NeroASERCH]

Seriously though, I think Kamal's case, like most people's, is much more complicated than a simple label that says Hindu or anti-Hindu.

[Paul Bunyan]

Seriously though, I think Kamal's case, like most people's, is much more complicated than a simple label that says Hindu or anti-Hindu.

hmm... interesting, can you pls elaborate on this?

[9mm_fan]

As far as I can infer, neither he nor the 'religious' characters that he snubs in his movies have any religious knowledge except the regular religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) of normal people.

A set of interviews with someone on the lines of Cho (just an example) would be nice. The other side has perpetually been shown weak (or weakened by his writing.)

On the contrary, I seriously doubt that Cho is a match for Kamal in this regard. I've made this point before too, I think Kamal's films (which is precisely the prism through which we're reading him) are spiritual in the true sense of the word. At the end of the day, what matters is one's engagement with the idea of a god, not the conclusion one reaches.