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9mm_fan 10-22-2005 07:00 AM

While I admire Kamal for his passion towards cinema and the way he showcased his coming-to-his-own-truths through his films, I would immensely enjoy if someone with decent knowledge of religion snub and question his attitude towards them http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif, just like he does to his characters in the movies. As far as I can infer, neither he nor the 'religious' characters that he snubs in his movies have any religious knowledge except the regular religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) of normal people.

A set of interviews with someone on the lines of Cho (just an example) would be nice. The other side has perpetually been shown weak (or weakened by his writing.)

Anyway, I dream on.

PhillipHer 01-28-2006 07:00 AM

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digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression
so doesnt that set the wrong example that you wont be antagonised if you resort to violence? isnt this the very thing to be antagonised by anyone who believes in democracy? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif

Drugmachine 03-06-2006 07:00 AM

http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif

kalyan, that was a mock para for what passes of a sociological critique nowadays. Kamal gets it from both sides.

HedgeYourBets 05-12-2006 07:00 AM

kalyan,

the diehard KH fan should have been dead long before UPO ... too late :P

brraverishhh 07-13-2010 08:30 AM

Kamalhassan's Ideology in his films
 
digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression

Big A 07-13-2010 08:48 AM

irir123,
அதைத்தான் அவர் ஓப்பனாவே "எங்க வீட்டுப்பொண்ணு தானே கஷ்டப்படும்"னு சொல்லீட்டாரே? (மணிரத்னம்-பம்பாய்-வன்முறை-மணிக்கு சொல்லப்பட்ட புத்திமதி இத்யாதி)

PhillipHer 07-13-2010 09:51 AM

"chi dam bram!" என சிறு வட்டத்துக்குள்ளேயே வெளிப்படும் அவரது வீரம் நகைப்புக்குறியது.

Drugmachine 07-13-2010 11:29 AM

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"chi dam bram!" என சிறு வட்டத்துக்குள்ளேயே வெளிப்படும் அவரது வீரம் நகைப்புக்குறியது.
http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/clap.gif

in the overall analysis, his courageous themes are courageous only coz he knows quite well that the communities he is trying to 'expose' wud never do to him, what a certain other community is likely to do if he were to rub them on the wrong side !

MannoFr 07-13-2010 11:35 AM

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http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by irir123 digression:

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266163

no wonder Kamal does NOT venture into antagonising one particularl community in his films - the reason: FEAR !!

end digression
so doesnt that set the wrong example that you wont be antagonised if you resort to violence? isnt this the very thing to be antagonised by anyone who believes in democracy? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif wrong example, right example dichotomy does not matter here! as far as one can antagonise some communities since a convenient combination of a safety net as well as 'artistic' accolades and 'arivu jeevi' pattams are assured for doing so (!), who cares ?!

Raj_Copi_Jin 07-13-2010 03:39 PM

all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..

say, even in Anbe Sivam.. there are many "good" hindu characters.. but nasser being a hindu irks many for no good reason..

btw.. we are a big hindu majority country... so the bias is in the eyes of the viewer...

NeroASERCH 07-13-2010 03:51 PM

irir,

Unnai pol oruvan is termed as anti - muslim...some people think its anti hindu

the movie has a Indian muslim, who speaks and acts against the nation accusing that the nation is not taking care of the minorities.

what you expect from him?

Peptobismol 07-13-2010 04:17 PM

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say, even in Anbe Sivam.. there are many "good" hindu characters.. but nasser being a hindu irks many for no good reason..
wrt anbe sivam,

there may be any hindu characters, but only nasser is shown to chant hindu hymns while shown to perform villainous acts.

and there is one sister Vanessa and her group who are shown as the epitome of piety and caring, and they are also shown to pray for the protagonist, invoking the god they believe in.

now you are free to decide which religion is portrayed in bad light. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

y havent we seen in any KH movie in the last two decades where a hindu priest is shown to be pious, caring and compassionate to his fellow human beings? leave along brahmin priests, even the village priest in Virumaandi is shown as committing perjury in the court of law http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...milies/huh.gif

Lillie_Steins 07-13-2010 04:33 PM

what abt that lady in the hill ??

Nasser is not a brahmin in this movie.. if he is a gounder, does it mean that Kamal exposed or vilified gounders??

in dasa, the name of the villain is Christian FLetcher and he does pray to god in the movie.. even shows his middle finger in his marriage scene.. so whats thaT??

in Mahanadi, the most notorious character is Thulukkaanam ..

and there are many more examples..

ofcourse brahmins have been "exposed" in some movies.. may be bcos he is also from one such family..

Paul Bunyan 07-13-2010 04:44 PM

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what abt that lady in the hill ??

Nasser is not a brahmin in this movie.. if he is a gounder, does it mean that Kamal exposed or vilified gounders??

in dasa, the name of the villain is Christian FLetcher and he does pray to god in the movie.. even shows his middle finger in his marriage scene.. so whats thaT??

in Mahanadi, the most notorious character is Thulukkaanam ..

and there are many more examples..

ofcourse brahmins have been "exposed" in some movies.. may be bcos he is also from one such family..
the lady on the hill is not shown to invoke some god and pray for the protagonist. but nasser is shown to invoke a hindu God and prays against the protagonist. and vanessa prays for the protagonist to the god she believes in.

gounders too are hindus right? nasser was shown as a particularly pious person.

wrt, Christin Fletcher, there is another character in the movie (vincent poovaragan) who is shown as the epitome of goodness.

Thulukkanam is a Hindu name, FYI http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

and what are the other examples? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

if he can 'expose' brahmins (to use your own words), what stops him from exposing more sinister individuals from other communities? especially when he doesnt even consider himself as a brahmin or a hindu?

dig

///being a brahmin is not by birth, but by virtues. KH was never one, IMHO///

end dig.

radikal 07-13-2010 04:53 PM

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kalyan,

the diehard KH fan should have been dead long before UPO ... too late :P
better late than never http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../icon_wink.gif http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif

brraverishhh 07-13-2010 05:14 PM

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all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said

Beerinkol 07-13-2010 05:16 PM

Courage or not, the question to be asked is, why don't some of us ask questions about our kamminaattis (being theist or atheist is immaterial). Fear > Hypocrisy/connivance

tgs 07-13-2010 05:28 PM

exactly anban

The initial riot scenes in hey raam is enough !

S.T.D. 07-13-2010 06:03 PM

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http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Anban all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said hey ram was a balanced film. but that hardly justifies the potshots in his other movies.

Beerinkol 07-13-2010 06:10 PM

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http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik) http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Anban all these community bias complaints are rubbish IMHO.. didnt we see a movie called heyram..
Enough said hey ram was a balanced film. but that hardly justifies the potshots in his other movies. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...es/exactly.gif kamal clearly has anti-brahmin, anti-hindu agenda in most of his movies but its ok as long as it gels with the narration but is very poor narration when it sticks out for the sake of it - ex: nasser in anbe sivam(in hospital scene): naa aandavana vendikkuren, nee sethhu po (not verbatim) http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif

where is mrs.mani-a ketta vaarthaila thittina P_R :P


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