[MannoFr]

azhagiya kaNNE - Janaki. Title song kELunga, adhuvum nalla song.

I am not surprised that UthiripookkaL has not much takers. It's not a look-at-me kind of film that proclaims it's greatness, at times I think the film itself is not conscious about it's greatness. It's just that a film maker in his best frame of mind with the best available resources (including the short story) makes a film in the way he likes and it turns out to be one heck of a piece. I am one absoulte fan.

[Lillie_Steins]

azhagiya kaNNE - andha pAttE avvaLavA pudikkAdhu.paadinadhu yaaru?

Thou art fit only for treasons and strategems!

[Big A]

Couple of good examples that worked for me too. Thank you. They did work in giving a matter of fact slice-of-life snapshot(s). And that's a good quality for sure. To create emotion out of moments, brought about by characters. A quality that I cherish about early Mahendran is the fact he didn't direct our (viewer's) attention to him or to his wit, but always the character's. Also, the unbridled quality of letting the character govern the plot & not the plot govern the characters. To sum his films into a plot line would be disservice. All that I get. But...

[Big A]

azhagiya kaNNE - Janaki. Title song kELunga, adhuvum nalla song.I am not surprised that UthiripookkaL has not much takers. It's not a look-at-me kind of film that proclaims it's greatness, at times I think the film itself is not conscious about it's greatness. It's just that a film maker in his best frame of mind with the best available resources (including the short story) makes a film in the way he likes and it turns out to be one heck of a piece. I am one absoulte fan.

Aye, aye. Lovely, AM, lovely. Tm, N paththi ellaam karuththu irukkaa?

[Big A]

Why I mentioned the technique of a sad song with either a)cut between past and present to underline the character's misfortune and changed circumstances b) montage of the character's past to summarise/outline the current plight is think Sethu for a) - Vikram hale and healthy in the past, emaciated in the present, is underlined in Enge Sellum. For b), countless examples. Thenpaandi cheemaiyile? Mahendran doesn't need these props to invoke your tears. He simply shows the moment. And the rest your heart does it.

[9mm_fan]

Mani Rathnam once said "If I get anywhere near what Mahendran did in Udhiri Pookkal, I’ll be a happy man." But the matter is Kamal never said that because Kamal wanted to go above that.

[Lillie_Steins]

Indha subtlety, subtletyngaraingaLE. Andha subtlety-aiyE subtle-A sonnadhu Mahendran dhaan. NammallAm explicitA thuruthikittu nikkaRadhaiyE subtletynu koNdAdarOm...

[Ifroham4]

Indha subtlety, subtletyngaraingaLE. Andha subtlety-aiyE subtle-A sonnadhu Mahendran dhaan. NammallAm explicitA thuruthikittu nikkaRadhaiyE subtletynu koNdAdarOm...

Very general statement. Quote with examples.

[brraverishhh]

Title song: hey chinna poongatru thaalatta. Raja's voice plays with your heart like it was his violin string. And he hints the first interlude of Azhagiya Kanne in the first interlude here. That interlude captures the helplessness but small happiness of Ashwini's situation. Ofcourse, TM has its own musical motifs and BGM. But, Raja is a character here. He is there. You don't see hom but You knowhe is there. You don't pay attention to him but all the while he is occupying your mind as much as what you are watching on screen. Probably, it is Raja who tilts the scales for me. His craft is at a higher peak here. Yes, it is raw, it being only his third year in TF. But that suits Udhiri PookkaL in a way that the organised, tight-orchestrating latter day Raja cannot.

[Beerinkol]

please change the title to Nayagan v Devar Maghan v Udhiri Pookal .. (vera edhavadhu add pannanumnaa requestungo)

[Peptobismol]

Very general statement. Quote with examples.

Nothing off my head I'll tell you why I made that statement. RecentA sila pala threads-la, idhu subtleA beautifulA solli irukkArnu padichappO, andha timela chippu vandhudhu idhellAm dhaan subtletyAnnu. But I don't remember now and can't be bothered to search now. If you want me to retract that statement since I cannot quote examples, I will.

[Beerinkol]

Did UP work 'emotionally'? The visuals in particular. Any particular shot that took us to a heightened state as the character's. Like the close-up shot of Bhagavathar as he feels the cemented wall in Veedu. Which is one of my fav. unadulterated moments on film. Pure cinema.

[Fegasderty]

This is what kamal for me as a writer/director. Whether it is comedy(MMKR etc.,), Action(kuruthipunal, aalavandhan) or drama(DM, Hey Ram, Virumaandi, Mahanadhi), kamal can excel it. Please think about any genre in cinema and related to kamal as creator, you won't feel uncomfortable in attaching that genre to Kamal and the same can't be said to anyone else IMHO.

[Lillie_Steins]

Kamal as writer/director is based on his experience with directors but he cant be near to the greats like KB, BM,RCSakthi,Mahendran. He is like kuzhandhai in that area and gets lost in one direction ...

[S.T.D.]

This is what kamal for me as a writer/director. Whether it is comedy(MMKR etc.,), Action(kuruthipunal, aalavandhan) or drama(DM, Hey Ram, Virumaandi, Mahanadhi), kamal can excel it. Please think about any genre in cinema and related to kamal as creator, you won't feel uncomfortable in attaching that genre to Kamal and the same can't be said to anyone else IMHO. the movies mentioned. All are not from kamal himself. There was Crazy mohan and ofcourse another fantastic creator MR.Singeetham Srinivasa rao who joined hands with Kamal to give many good movies for us. You cant just give the credit to Kamal for all these.

on another note
See singeetham explaining how Apoorva sagotharargal was made

http://www.youtube.com/user/maatv#gr...892FA0005E680B

[Slonopotam845]

Did UP work 'emotionally'? The visuals in particular. Any particular shot that took us to a heightened state as the character's. Like the close-up shot of Bhagavathar as he feels the cemented wall in Veedu. Which is one of my fav. unadulterated moments on film. Pure cinema.

No, kid. You don't get an emotional high in any single shot. That was BM's technique. Imo, I struggle with BM films - they are always mixed. Moments of brilliance. Then ordinariness. Oru volatility irukkum. But then that is the nature of the man. Mahendran is a placid guy. As I observed before, avaroda extra-marital kasamusavE oru placid-looking thuNai nadigaiyOda dhaan, unlike the high profile Balu M, who could mix it up with some top-of-the-line brilliance like Shoba. . The closest you get to feeling a character's emotion is when a Vijayan, with his Life crumbling before his eyesa, and his citadel brought down in a few hours, and facing the fate awaiting him, turns placidly to the people and says "naan paNNa thappulaiye periya thappu ungala violent akkinadhu dhaan". A bit out of the place in that Mahendran seems to have abandoned his character graph suddenly because even 5 minutes before in the movie, you don't see any chance of his character making such an observation. But then, it is his last moment and what he goes through, and perhaps a resigned acceptance brings up that end-of-life wisdom vignette. But Mahendran's triumph is you feel that character's mind at that point. Finally, he repents, and his mind goes not to his individual crimes but the horror of the impact of his psychological violence on the people now turned against him.

[Drugmachine]

the movies mentioned. All are not from kamal himself. There was Crazy mohan and ofcourse another fantastic creator MR.Singeetham Srinivasa rao who joined hands with Kamal to give many good movies for us. You cant just give the credit to Kamal for all these.

on another note
See singeetham explaining how Apoorva sagotharargal was made

http://www.youtube.com/user/maatv#gr...892FA0005E680B

I never thought of giving credit to just Kamal. Just attaching Kamal to any genre. Kamal did not take complete credit for even movies such as mahanadhi. So you can conveniently ignore the assumption.

[9mm_fan]

P_R

IMO mahendran had different way of story telling. He did not belong to any tamil movie school. He resembled more like Satyajit Ray and Adoor than Balachandar of Tamil. So probably we might have unconciously ignored his movies' greatnes. That is why I asked you to revisit udhiri pookkal. Only in hub some critics value content over entertainment part, which I have never seen anywhere else. So we should give right recognition for Mahendran, which I think he deserves it.

[Lt_Apple]

That Radhika, Vadivukkarasi movie -

Metti??????????

[TorryJens]

Anyways Why is Mahendran and UP talked about in a thread which is specific in the Title DM Vs Nayagan.

Help me understand plssssssss