[Fegasderty]

Originally Posted by mareen OTOH, class movies have taken a giant step towards story and prefection, recent examples are VA, Yavarum nalam, Anjathe.[/b]

u mean these movies are very ahead of 80's movies? cant comment on that perfectly as i havent watched many movies that are from the 80's.

[PhillipHer]

100 kutravaali escape ok but one nirabaraathi punish not ok.

similarly sila class movies flop kooda aagalaam but not even one mediocre move shud be made run!

[Ifroham4]

[quote="MADDY"][quote="Nerd"]
for me, even vaaranam ayiram is a class movie in tamil............and it recovered its costs with just A centre audience.......poi solla porom(horible remake) is a class movie and it was a hit in multilplex circles........i really feel, people are ready to see the change, industry is hesitant to give it......[/quote

catchy is not classy..

peterish movies are called as class movies these days

examples of class movies.. mahanadi, heyram, anbesivam.. even VV is not a very classy move..

[Lt_Apple]

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam

simple yet immense point.. Honestu is my dear dhostu...

[MannoFr]

In Sarath's thread, HR gave an excellent argument on class and mass films and stars associated. Hubber Prabho sugggested a thread on it, since no one has started one, and since the Hub is getting so boring, I thought why not start this. I recall something similar in the past, but what the heck, let's start fresh.

His points intrigued me, being that I am a fan of both and I see qualities in both. Class can be great, but at the same time pretentious and narcissistic. Mass can be great, but at the same time poor and an insult to our intelligence (in my case, semi-literate intelligence).

George Lucas once defended box office mass entertainers saying that it is those film which allows the studios to make small vanity (read Oscar contenders) projects.

What do you think?

Here is HR's point of view (rebutting Jaiganes' view).

Originally Posted by jaiganes Idhe pol Visay kanthum arasiyalil perum vetri petru cinemavukku oru muzhukku poda vendumendrum prarthithukkolgiren.

Jaiganes.. ungalai onnu ketkuraen.. nanga ellam MASS padatha rasikkiravanga... neenga (or ungalai poanravargal) ellam CLASS / nalla yadharthamana cinemavai rasikkiravanga............

appuram yean sir ANBE SIVAM madhiriyana padangalai ellam thoalvi adaya vitteenga.. oru 100 vatti parthurukkalame....... ungalai madhiri classic rasigargal ellam DVD theya theya parthuttu review mattume ezhuthuvanga.......

adhanalathan CLASS nayagargalum MASS padathula nadikkiranga

yedhanal...

1) THIRISOOLAM seyya vendiya nirbandham Sivaji-ku yerpattadhu .. (adhu record breaking BB enru andha thread-la irundhu therinjukittaen) adhukku munala avaru pala nalla padangalla nadichu vetri adanjirunthalum

2) 16 V, aval appadithan........ ippdai nadithu kondirundha kamal yean Sakalakala vallavan panna vendiya nirbandhan yerpattadhu ... ippavum yean comedy padangalai filler's-ah use pannikittu irukkaru

(usd Sivaji & Kamal as examples because compared to their competitors, they are accepted to be class actors by people)

adhanalathan vera threadla, VRidan KANCHIVARAM theaterla partheengalanu kettaen!!!!!!!!

CLASS padathula mattume nadicha oru Hero.. field la nilachu irundhadha TFI history-la kidayadhu

aana CLASS -nu oru padathulayum nadikathavanga nilaithu irundhurukkanga eg: none other than VIJAYAKANTH

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam

[tgs]

Innaikku pozhutu pOgalayA pa???

[Ifroham4]

HR

[HedgeYourBets]

Innaikku pozhutu pOgalayA pa???

Today is Friday, day, day, dey, dey, dey!!!

(okay, I'm kidding, no way I will call you dey)

[tgs]

adhanala.. MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam
Objection your honor Let's make these two assumptions
- Class audience = Multiplex watchers
- Consider TN as the sample space.

Honestly, how many multiplexes are there? < 10. Even if all the class fans watch a class film, its bound to be a flop unless it pleases at least a section of the mass. So the class fans should not be blamed for a class films failure.

OTOH, for a mass film to be a success, it should be liked by all (read fans of other actors too, not just the actor who had acted in that film).

We have way too many examples for both the cases.

[LottiFurmann]

i think times are changing - story/presentations are the real heroes now..........tell me the last blockbuster which was a bad movie but ran only bcos of mass power - 10A(pretty low by kamal standards) and sivaji ajith vijay have been slapped with flops for selecting "nonworkable/supposedly safe" scripts.......adhe samayam, good stories have a better chance of winning in present scenario........PV had a excellent run, subbipuram, anjaadhey, polladhavan, chennai-28, vennila kabaddi kuzhu(?) were the recent success stories......i think Mass is fading away - even Mass need to be presented in a "class" way to work ex:billa.....

//biggest change has to come from distributors - they should stop deciding sucess of a movie based on script........they shouldnt pressurise producers/directors/heroes on what is a workable script and what is not........they have to stick to their job of distributing films and stop contributing to story..........i'm wondering how bollywood got rid of this annoying distributor menace//

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Nerd, I dont think we can generalize as multiplex audience = class audience. the trend atleast with respect to tamil films have been class audience = dvd audience. Mozhi/Azhagiya theeye thavira cant think of any other exception. Ch 28 class category la varumaanu therla.

its been a case of western movie watchers thrashing the so-called mass movies by 'any' actor with a perception of 'i watch this kinda movies directly implies i am not intelligent' or more a case of 'i declare i like class movies directly implies i am super intelligent' attitude. endha mass movies kkum oru suggestion oru opinion :P

[Ifroham4]

A point about NT.

NT started doing mass, or straight forward entertainer flicks, way before Tirusoolam. If you read Murali-sar's epic writeups, you will note that K. Balaji was the main factor behind pushing NT towards doing mass flicks.

It was also NT's own personal liking for Hollywood flicks that he did films like Tangga Churanggam (my favourite of his mass flicks) and the massive box office hit Raja.

So, nirbantham-um sollalam, athey time, producers urging, actors indulgence, fans' vendukol, ippadi parpala reasons.

Actors oru pakkam irukkattum. What about directors?

I am now thinking about Mahendran. He was making classics and they did okay, I guess (experts please help me with those films' BO). Then, he did a mass (though it had class elements) with Rajini called Kai Kodukkum Kai, which even had market place, high jumping, fight scene. Am not sure how the film did, but I read (and translated for a magazine) in an interview where Mahendran himself claiming, "athu romba moosamaana padam". Where is Mahendran now? Should he have done more mass films, and alternated with class? Sollunggapaa, sollungga!!!

[Slonopotam845]

adhanalathan CLASS nayagargalum MASS padathula nadikkiranga

yedhanal...

2) 16 V, aval appadithan........ ippdai nadithu kondirundha kamal yean Sakalakala vallavan panna vendiya nirbandhan yerpattadhu ... ippavum yean comedy padangalai filler's-ah use pannikittu irukkaru

class padangal nallaave odinaalum kamal mass padathil nadithu thaan agavendum. allathu, intha murai kamal nadikkum padam entertainer aaga amainthuvittathu. thatsall. anbesivam flop aanathaan thaan avar VV dasa vil nadithara enna? athu thavaru. next anbe sivam avar virumaandi panninaar. athu class+mass padam thaan.


neeenga mass padangal mattum thaan paarpeengalaa?? appo, perarau ponra kuppayaana directors varuvatharku nengathaan karanam!!!

[Paul Bunyan]

Originally Posted by HonestRaj adhanalathan CLASS nayagargalum MASS padathula nadikkiranga

yedhanal...

2) 16 V, aval appadithan........ ippdai nadithu kondirundha kamal yean Sakalakala vallavan panna vendiya nirbandhan yerpattadhu ... ippavum yean comedy padangalai filler's-ah use pannikittu irukkaru

class padangal nallaave odinaalum kamal mass padathil nadithu thaan agavendum. allathu, intha murai kamal nadikkum padam entertainer aaga amainthuvittathu. thatsall. anbesivam flop aanathaan thaan avar VV dasa vil nadithara enna? athu thavaru. next anbe sivam avar virumaandi panninaar. athu class+mass padam thaan.


neeenga mass padangal mattum thaan paarpeengalaa?? appo, perarau ponra kuppayaana directors varuvatharku nengathaan karanam!!!
aaamang... avaru veru laadu andgoduthasu.. edutha ellam padamum semma floppu...

[Ifroham4]

Nerd, I dont think we can generalize as multiplex audience = class audience. the trend atleast with respect to tamil films have been class audience = dvd audience. Mozhi/Azhagiya theeye thavira cant think of any other exception. Ch 28 class category la varumaanu therla.

its been a case of western movie watchers thrashing the so-called mass movies by 'any' actor with a perception of 'i watch this kinda movies directly implies i am not intelligent' or more a case of 'i declare i like class movies directly implies i am super intelligent' attitude. endha mass movies kkum oru suggestion oru opinion :P

How many of them are there in TN? In Trichy (being a city and all) for example, you can count the number of pure-class fans. Chennai Tamil Nadu and we have numerous B,C centers..

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

100 kutravaali escape ok but one nirabaraathi punish not ok.

similarly sila class movies flop kooda aagalaam but not even one mediocre move shud be made run!

class fansthan mass padathai paathutu nalla pakkam pakkama korai solranga... why don't they just learn. if you don't like it, then don''t watch it...

[brraverishhh]

So a hit/flop depends upon the number of people actually liking the film. Fans don't come into picture at all (except may be the first week). Thats my point.

And on class fans trashing mass films, well I share your disgust. aanaalum oru limit irukku (applies to all heroes/directors)

[doctorzlo]

How many of them are there in TN? In Trichy (being a city and all) for example, you can count the number of pure-class fans. Chennai Tamil Nadu and we have numerous B,C centers..

i think we need to define class here.......if i say Mitya, DevD, Omkara then none of our movies can stand i think class movies are the ones which stick to a good story more than deviate from it to suit someone's image......mass movies are the ones which have a "safe,tried" story but has excess deviation to suit someone's image....

for me, even vaaranam ayiram is a class movie in tamil............and it recovered its costs with just A centre audience.......poi solla porom(horible remake) is a class movie and it was a hit in multilplex circles........i really feel, people are ready to see the change, industry is hesitant to give it......

[radikal]

i think we need to define class here.......if i say Mitya, DevD, Omkara then none of our movies can stand

naanum korean,iran'la irundhu 4 movies pEru sonnEnaa, then Mitya, DevD, Omkara all can't stand'nga

Wn we are speaking in Tamil film section, edhukku paalaa pOna bollywood(xerox copy of hollywood ) ellaam

[softy54534]

MASS pada vetrikku mass nadigargaloda fans karanam... CLASS pada thoalvikku class rasigargale karanam Honest Raj ...... just as your name, you wanted to give your honest opinion , is it ?
moonu mani neram pure Entertainment kku varavanga jAsthiyA ... illa moonu mani neram pAthAlum adhula vishayam irukkanum nnu varavanga jAsthiyA ?