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03-13-2009, 05:37 PM | #21 |
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Scale, you still didn't get it. KM is the mani brand optimism filled filtered human tragedy. I still maintain ARR has not had opportunity to plumb the depths of human emotions. He has been, wilfully or otherwise, involved with directors whose vision is to sugar coat. There is no sugarcoating with Bala. This is probably what is Bala's thinking.you can criticise bala for that but that is his choice.
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03-13-2009, 05:46 PM | #22 |
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Plum,
While at the "depths" point, i'd urge you not to overlook "Kaana Karunguyile" and the election song "Annan Sethuvukku" and the 'emotions'. Small time landhu doesn't get captured better than this. And then there's "elangaathu veesudhe"... Its not just about kadal aazha sogam or negativity. Of course, these are about songs. What's more important is the background score and IR's score is the first hero in Bala's films (endha padathula appadi illa nu kekkareengala?) |
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03-13-2009, 06:45 PM | #23 |
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Originally Posted by Scale Clowning Judge, Judge says the opposite. YSR fit aagala nu solraaru orE comedy-A irukku....Raaja's music is the best fit for Bala's themes. inga pala pErukku athu innum puriyala pOla irukku. Just watch 'nandhA', it is easily understandable. |
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03-13-2009, 06:54 PM | #24 |
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aduththa sindu mudinjutaangaLA. |
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03-13-2009, 06:56 PM | #25 |
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judge, with you on Nandha. YSR tries hard but the effort shows. Munpaniya is fantastic but it is just that. You could shift that song to Katradhu Thamizh and net-net, the effect on the movie would be the same. This is the point I was trying to make in the previous post but comparing Rahman makes it politically difficult - I think it is easier to quote Yuvan's failure to explain what I wanted to explain so yeah, thanks for reminding me of Nandha.
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03-13-2009, 07:19 PM | #26 |
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nandhA didn't appeal to me, I couldn't understand the reason while watched it first time. But a few months back, when I watched it again, I could see the reason. BGM doesn't have that much depth in it. If Raaja would've scored, the movie would be much much better. Surya'vOda acting'a (???) paaththu YSR kolambiyiruppaar pOla // |
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03-13-2009, 07:31 PM | #27 |
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About small time landhu, note how Raja captures the same emotion again in Virumandi but in a ultra-rural, specifically maduria suthu vattaram context in Kombula Poova suthi. Indha subtle differences panna vera endha kombanalum mudiyadhu. There're a lot more I wanted to post, but it will turn into another ugly IR vs ARR debate. Avareey sollitaaru ithellam veenamnu. Here's how I feel about IR in Bala's films. IR brings with him his own experience, having grown up in that rustic rural environment, being familiar with those sounds plus add to his deep knowledge of carnatic. And another example. Why would Kamal want to use him in Hey Ram, MX and then wants Rahman for Marmayogi? I bet Kamal himself would have said the same thing. So, ARR not being used for Hey Ram, is that an insult to him? |
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03-13-2009, 07:36 PM | #28 |
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03-13-2009, 07:36 PM | #29 |
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03-13-2009, 07:41 PM | #30 |
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03-13-2009, 07:45 PM | #31 |
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03-13-2009, 07:45 PM | #32 |
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Konjam ARR fansku puriyara maadhiri sollanumna, Bala saying ARR doesnt suit his movies is, to me, the same as Rakesh Omprakash Mehra saying that about IR. I dont fundamentally disagree with either of them even though as an IR fan, it is hard to concede that Delhi-6 is something only Rahman can do. If I distill my emotions, that seems the case to me - it seems to me that Delhi-6 is a product of extra-ordinary deliberation, oora potta thoughts, carefully distilled, a product of conscious collobration with the director and other artists, including the singers. I feel IR's spontaneous style and single-sitting soundtracks cannot do justice to something that is so measuredly, and deliberately put together like Delhi-6. IR's music wil paint Delhi-6 differently.
Like I said, I should be able to say this without offending either set of fans. The litmus test is in how the reaction is. |
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03-13-2009, 07:48 PM | #33 |
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03-13-2009, 07:50 PM | #34 |
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03-13-2009, 07:52 PM | #35 |
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Originally Posted by joe Originally Posted by directhit Joe, ippa Marmayogi kkum Kamal adhaye ninaikiraaru pola சரி .. பாய்ஸ் படம் எடுத்துக்கொண்டிருக்கும் போது ஷங்கரிடம் இதற்கு ஏன் இளையராஜாவை இசையமைக்க வைக்கவில்லையென கேட்க அவர் "இந்த படத்தை பொறுத்தவரை இளையராஜாவின் இசை பொருத்தமாக இருக்காது" என்று சொல்லியிருந்தால் நான் கண்டிப்பாக அவர் இளையராஜாவை அவமதித்ததாக கருதமாட்டேன். |
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03-13-2009, 07:59 PM | #36 |
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சமாளிக்க வேண்டிய அவசியமில்லை ..எனென்றால் இந்த கேள்வி உங்களிடமிருந்து வரூம் என்பது முன்பே தெரியும். என்னுடைய எதிர்ப்பு உங்கள் 'கனியிருப்ப' வார்த்தைகளுக்கு மட்டுமே plum - thanks, but not interested specially coz i dont feel what bala said was demeaning in any way to ARR. I was jus referring to Joe's words/context in particular |
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03-13-2009, 08:07 PM | #37 |
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என்னுடைய எதிர்ப்பு உங்கள் 'கனியிருப்ப' வார்த்தைகளுக்கு மட்டுமே அதற்காக கனி சாப்பிடுபவர்கள் காய் சாப்பிடவே மாட்டார்கள் என்று அர்த்தமில்லை ..கனி கிடைக்காத நேரத்தில் காயும் சாப்பிடுவார்கள் . கமல் ,பாலா போன்றவர்களுக்கு இளையராஜா கனி ..ஷங்கர் போன்றவர்களுக்கு ரகுமான் கனி ..இதில் யார் மீதும் தப்பு இல்லை. |
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03-13-2009, 08:16 PM | #38 |
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Appadi poodungga Joe.
Except I have conflict when it comes to Kamal and Rajini and thank god, they are releasing films at different time. But you are right, to each his own. Plus success factor onnu irukku. If Gentleman was a flop, with no tapes selling, Shankar may have changed his mind...in fact, it could have even affected the type of films he would be making there onwards (lots of money would have been saved). IR played huge part in Kamal and Bala's film, as did ARR in Shankar and Mani's film. Their composition were integral to those respective films and the directors would definitely have these respective composers in mind when they are thinking of the next film. I bet, even if Bala is open about ARR in the future, he is making his next film, in his mind, with IR in it. Hell, there are many directors out there who are thinking of their next films with either IR or ARR, whomever they prefer, Kani or Kaaiy, in their mind. But unfortunately, most have to settle for plastic fruits. |
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03-13-2009, 08:19 PM | #39 |
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03-13-2009, 08:23 PM | #40 |
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Joe, பாலா விஷயத்தில் (காயாக அவர் நினைப்பதை உபயோகிக்காததால்) ஏற்றுகொள்ளகூடியதே . கமல் விஷயத்தில் முதல் தேர்வு இரண்டாம் தேர்வு என பிரித்தல் அவ்வளவு எளிதல்ல (அவருடைய தனிப்பட்ட விருப்பத்தை விடுங்கள் - நம்ம கௌதம் சார் க்கு கூட ராஜா தான் பிரியமாம் :P). வியாபார நோக்கங்களை காரணமாக கூறினாலும் இரண்டாம் தேர்வு என்பது இங்கே சரியான பதமாக படவில்லை. கமலின் 'தற்போதைய' பேட்டிகளே அதற்க்கு ஒரு சான்று
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