"While at the "depths" point, i'd urge you not to overlook "Kaana Karunguyile" and the election song "Annan Sethuvukku" and the 'emotions'. Small time landhu doesn't get captured better than this. And then there's "elangaathu veesudhe"... Its not just about kadal aazha sogam or negativity.
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Ofcourse, CR. Enna, joy is not difficult to capture for ARRngaradhu ennoda personal opinion. ARR is also very good at invoking "divine", in the sufi way. I still bow to Khwaja mere Khwaja, that one stands up there with Janani Janani. But when it comes to negative emotions, I feel that Rahman's tendency to sugar-coat, probably a cosnequence of working with Mani, and his tendency to look down upon these emotions, I feel that comes in his way of being authentic about these.

Capturing small time landhu - again I will not go into whether Rahman can do this - but agree with you that there is more to Kaana karunguiyile than just being a mere item song. There is the specific rootedness, which you dont even get with the Gaana specialist Deva. This can only be a tamil semi-urban college, this can only be Sethu as defined by his demographic in the movie. I have described this in RS's blog before - that the soundtrack for Sethu is just Sethu's. It cant even sit in Pithamagan - this is where Raja is unsurpassable and this is probably the context of Bala's statement.
About small time landhu, note how Raja captures the same emotion again in Virumandi but in a ultra-rural, specifically maduria suthu vattaram context in Kombula Poova suthi. Indha subtle differences panna vera endha kombanalum mudiyadhu.

ஒன்று கனி இப்போதைக்கு சந்தையில் கிடைக்காததால் காய் இருந்தால் போதும் என் நினைத்திருக்கலாம் ..அல்லது இப்போது செய்யப்போகும் பதார்த்ததுக்கு கனியை விட காய் சேர்த்தால் தான் சுவையாக இருக்கும் என்பதால் இருக்கலாம் http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif நல்லா சமாளிக்கிறீங்க http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif - இதற்க்கு பதில் சொல்லி இன்னொரு ரஹ்மான் vs ராஜா சண்டைக்கு வழி வகுக்க இஷ்டமில்லை http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/wave.gif

"...A R Rahman has just won the Oscars. You have never worked with him. Will you work with him? Is he suitable for your kind of films?

I can't predict the future. But one thing is sure. Rahman's music would not have worked for my films, from Sethu to Naan Kadavul...."

I don't see anything wrong with it.

He didn't deny that he might work with ARR in the future. At the same time, as a director he knows who'd be suitable as a composer in his films- those are his babies.. Maybe he might make one that may need ARR's talent in the future. I think that's a fair response.

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Plum, context inge irukku. vaanga pEsuvOm.

Bala on ARR
 

Bala's latest interview on rediff..

http://specials.rediff.com/movies/20...-and-faith.htm

Im disappointed with his statement about ARR http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...s/icon_sad.gif

That is insulting ARR's talent..Without working with ARR, how he could say that?ARR is not good enough to do music for NK/sethu??

mahen, I know it's hard to take but as a director, you need to choose the crew that you believe can deliver what you want. Without working with ARR, he cannot say empirically that "ARR cannot do this". That is fair enough but as the owner for his product, he might want to take a decision based on past credentials and if he feels ARR doesnt have it for his kind of films, so be it.

ARR himself says he chooses love over hate. That might spill over into his music as well. Bala doesnt gloss over hate. He deals with human emotions as is. Rahman tries hard to suppress emotions of the negative kind. This is just my opinion and rationalisation of Bala's choices and not a reflection of his abilities.

/Dign
Its an insult to himself and not to ARR in any way. Look what he answered to Surya, Vikram they had enormous talent to come up. If they can accomodate your films how dare you say that to ARR without working. Thirundha maataingha! Interviewer vodhaikkanum!

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/End Dign

orE comedy-A irukku....Raaja's music is the best fit for Bala's themes. inga pala pErukku athu innum puriyala pOla irukku. Just watch 'nandhA', it is easily understandable.

The more I try to prove something, the more I fail. Wow.
IdhellAm dhaan proof of the pudding-kku appArppattavai.

"Wow.
IdhellAm dhaan proof of the pudding-kku appArppattavai"
PR, vazhakkam pola, when one of you trinity (pr-compli-eq) post, konaar notes thevai padhudhu. You explain?

Plum, google search yielded below para :P

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
It means that the true value or quality of something can
only be judged when it's put to use or tried and tested.
The meaning is often summed up as:
"Results are what count...it's not how you start, but how you finish."

Bala's movies are over-the-top and dont hide any emotion or gloss over any emotion - they dont require polishing - they need the rawness - rawness cannot be moulded or sculpted, which is what Rahman does. So, Bala's statement makes sense, to people who actually understand his movies. Puriyadhavangalukku enna solla?
Secondly, Rahman himself is uncomfortable with negative emotions as he himself says - even for SDM, he said that together he and Danny arrived at a decision to score BGM which didnt reflect the starkness of the images in the movie. Same happened with Rang De Basanti also - this is not an approach which Bala will be comfortable with.
(Ennavo oru pazhaiya indhi paattu ninaivukku varudhu - Samajhne wale samajh gaye hai, na samjhe? na samjhe, woh anari hai)

sarna_blr, appreciate your enthusiasm though that phrase-oda literal meaning was known to me already - enakku avar enna sonnarnu purinjidhu edhukku sonnaru dhaannu puriyalai.
This is where this triumvirate confounds - namma pasanga therinja english-la dhaan pesaranga aanal kooda context puriya maatengudhu

Clowning Judge,

I just watched "Nandha" and the music says its by YSR? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif Tell me how did he fit there which others can't? http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...n_rolleyes.gif

Plum,

andha support "flaga" konjam arai kambathula thonga vidureengala. So you mean to say Bala have heard about SDM & RDB stories or similar ones earlier and concluded ARR wont fit ....blah...blah..... Fallacy!

Well, thanks for that old hindi song http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif I will provide you a sample: scintillating and soulful music absolutely no polishing Its from 1996 (not so old) film " If you still prefer a hindi song I can help you with Water, Fire, Earth, etc...

Scale, no offence, but Andhimandhaarai is not an example of what Bala needs. Same with Pavithra's uyirum neeye - Bala is not about soulful etc. It is about dealing with negative emotions plumbing the depths of human mind which is what Bala does. There is a nice, 'moral', establishment view in Andhi Mandhaarai, Pavithra etc. Uyirum Neeye is not very far from Vennila, Vennila from Kaadhal Desam in terms of the emotion invoked. This is not an example of Rahman's ability to plumb the depths of human mind. This doesnt mean that he is not capable - just that there is no existing record of that fact.

Water is closer - thanks, I had forgotten that one. Fire was , how to say this without offending, very very superficial as a background score. So. yeah, if Bala says ARR is not capable of scoring for his movies, that is open to criticism but one can understand why Bala wouldnt want to make that choice.

I'd be glad if Bala is proven wrong on this one.

"Rahman's music would not have worked for my films"

This is utter rubbish! as if ARR have done only Prabhudeva kinda films

Plum,

I was loooking for old tamil song http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/ymlol.gif and AM striked me immediately. I mean the full album without any polishing and the script depth of human minds you are talking about. Unfortunately ARR havent done much tamil music/scripts like bala films. Kannathil Muthamittal stands a testimony: title song, Vellai pookul, vidai kodu, senyore all fits perfectly adhakoodava ketruka maataru. I can even place Duet & Rhythm on a similar scale. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../notworthy.gif

aduththa sindu mudinjutaangaLA.
Thalai ezuththu - engeyum otrumai pudikkaadhe ivanungaLukku. Curious thing is that the interviewer has saved his life by not quoting charu nivedita's comments on music of the film.

Scale,
Judge says the opposite. YSR fit aagala nu solraaru

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