[LottiFurmann]

poornima sorry for the digression

vasanth_luv

// If rasini would do that then it will definitely end up in Tamil cinema producing more good movies, which now only a very few like Kamal,Mani.//

how can u term vasool raja, pks, 5thanthiram, virumandi (too much violence to convery a msg?? nah) as *good* movies.. even MX had nothing of that sort.. kamal's last good movie was Anbe Sivam...

Rajni too is a versatile actor.. i bet u cud hav watched n admired him in 6-60, mullum malarum, johny etc.., his last good perf oriented movie was thalapathi.. aft tht no one was ready to perceive him as such kinda actor.. thts y to satisfy his huge fans he started to do mass movies.. and in CM he dint do anything of tht sort except first few mins.. since CM is also a big hit wht i suggest is let him get back to the 80s and do perf oriented movies..

Sorry, dont agree with the "satisying the fans funda" it is just to
keep the fans in hand, not to lose them, to continue making the
big bucks, to maintain the popularity, nothing else. If it was for
the only reason of satisfying the fans, he would not be demanding
such high amounts for acting in the movies.

Rgds

[TorryJens]

//but the problem is that present-day rajnikant is a much bigger star than what bachchan was during the end of his hero days//

1)proof? for bachan's image smaller in his end-hero days??

1a)if so why wasnt CM released all over india?

2)is he being bigger a PROBLEM? i thought u will think the otherway. he he

Bachan's fame was largley due to the fact he acted in the national Language film(hindi), which has wider audience than regional languages like , so every actor acted in Hindi is known to all in India, even actors like Govinda.

But from south, many normal mumbai wallahs;s don't know much south Indian actors, except Rajni,Kamal and Chranjeeve(to some extent), this applies to all, SPB is a far better singer than Rafi, if u ask a mumbai wallah, he would not know who SPB is, but all of them would have heard his voice and his blockbusters like Maine Pyar Kiya, saajan, Ek Duche kiliye,..etc. , but all Indian know who Rafi is cos he sang in the national language(hindi) so he was bound to famous no matter what, if SPB was born and bought in delhi and became Hindi singer, and Rafi in south, it would be totaly different story!

Did Amitabh act in Tamil film?
Did Rafi sing any mallu /Tamil song?

The fact remains, that Rajnikanth is the HIGHEST paid actor in India, does it not prove something?

[softy54534]

Well Poornima,I am no Rajni fan(as you will know) but your post was interesting enough for me to come here.The main point is, for Rajni's career to take a different way,the price of his products HAS to come down.As long as there is pressure on him(from himself or others)to deliver films which rake in the moolah like no man's business,the dilemma,the long gaps,the indecisiveness will remain.He has to first decide whether he is motivated enough to do films.If yes,what's the motivation-Money or satisfaction of having exploited atleast a little of his potential.He has delivered huge commercial successes,it's the talent which has taken a beating.To start with,he has to forget the money,then thro the media, condition his fans&public alike that his next movie will be different.Price it low,cut the trappings&media hype,get a image makeover&then release it.It might become a disappointment but it won't pinch the pocket.Do it over 3 to 4 movies&the public will get used to it.But Dharani,Raja&KSR are not the right kind of ppl to do that.I have not seen CM,so cannot say if he has indeed tried to move away(a little)from the image trap( the trailors don't seem to give any indication of this)but if he has,it's a step in the right direction.To move further is in the hands of fans like you.

[radikal]

eppa paarthalum kekke pekke nnu oru sirippu.

Anyway i like it .

[LottiFurmann]

Hey man!!Poornima, As i said i feel disgusted talking 2 u. Pls don't bring me into this topic ever again.

I hope, u r not a small child. U don't have to reply to everyone's personal view. I don't give a damn abt CM succeeds or flops utterly. I said it very clearly earlier on one thread. U couldn't have seen me saying that CM is a flop or MX is a hit,in that MX vs CM thread. I never said anything abt these films' successes. I'm least bothered abt that. I'm only concerned abt good cinema and SENSIBLE entertainers. Thats what made me post here.

[brraverishhh]

I heard that Rajini is gonna act with Dharani and KS RaviKumar. I am sure Dharani's movie will be more of an action packed one like DHOOL, where Rajini can really do all his tricks and satisfy his fans completely, provided the screenplay is good. And with KSR, if at all he decides to do JAGGUBHAI, it will be more of a performance-oriented role (Playing a terrorist). So it looks like he's gonna mix both aspects of it.....

[Big A]

But from south, many normal mumbai wallahs;s don't know much south Indian actors, except Rajni,Kamal and Chranjeeve(to some extent),

So why cant rajni try north india too???he he he

//Did Amitabh act in Tamil film?
Did Rafi sing any mallu /Tamil song? //

Ha Ha Ha even arnold didnt act in tamil.so he is not great than ur rajni, huh?

//The fact remains, that Rajnikanth is the HIGHEST paid actor in India, does it not prove something? //

surely. it proves that sify is a rajni jalra.

Thanks , you have indeed proved your intelligence, after all I was expecting this from Crap(B)s and his fellow aquatics.

GOOD BYE

[S.T.D.]

What's next? Just more superhits, and super duper hits like Chandramukhi and Padaiappa!

[brraverishhh]

crab, nickraman and vasanth_luv, this is the first time i'm talking to you and i hate myself for that. but please, you guys have had varying degrees of success in tanking the other discussion. i request you to please stay off this one at least, if your sole agenda in life is to get frustrated at rajnikant's continuing success and cutting sorry figures in front of others. you can carry your good work in other threads, please.

"but the problem is that present-day rajnikant is a much bigger star than what bachchan was during the end of his hero days//

1)proof? for bachan's image smaller in his end-hero days??

1a)if so why wasnt CM released all over india?

2)is he being bigger a PROBLEM? i thought u will think the otherway. he he"


proof - bachchan's flops after his comeback as hero:
mrityudaata, kohraam, suryavamsham, laal badshah, major saab, aks, boom and more. the only hit as hero has been bade miyan chote miyan, that too largely for the david dhawan - govinda draw. i'm talking about the movies where he played hero, before he moved to character roles.

CM was not released all over india because there is no solid audience for south indian movies in the north. because it was not dubed, because it wasn't made as a bilingual, because the producers didn't want it to probably... what's the point? when i say rajni is a bigger star than bachchan after his comeback, i mean to say amitabh CANNOT ensure an initial pull for his solo starrers in any part of india similar to the one which is guaranteed for a rajni movie in the south. this is in no ways to discredit bachchan, who acording to me is the greatest star-actor this country has ever seen.

he being a bigger star is INDEED a problem for him as an actor. unlike kerala, where mohanlal and mammootty can experiment with their roles and still rake in the money, rajnikant is at a disadvantage being in tamil nadu where he's expected to tread a particular route time and again. bachchan could move to better, performance-oriented roles 'coz he was smart enough to realise that his days as angry young man were over and he made a quite shift. and it paid off. rajnikant's days as the formulaic hero are far from over, as the mega success of CM proves. you get the drift?

[Lt_Apple]

This is the thing, that has been happening for Kamal since his Guna,Mahanadhi,......
But don't worry Kamal is a man of steel. He will definitely continue. If his so called flops r real flops, how could have he been doing movies even now?

I said that i don't care abt hits n misses, bcos i didn't want 2 indulge myself in arguments abt hits or flops. Cos no-one really knows the real picture, definitely not this TAMIL websites, so what's the point in we arguing it's a hit and it's a flop. Probably after a 7-8 weeks the real picture will emerge. And moreover HIT is not just depended on how many days a movie run?, there r a lot other factors, such as cost, the price it was sold,..... low budget films can get the money back in 2-3 weeks, whereas big budget extravaganzas will have 2 run for many weeks to get the money back...........................

But even after i said that, i don't care abt hits n flops, u r there to bring me into arguments .

Shall v get back to the topic???????

[TorryJens]

crab, nickraman and vasanth_luv, this is the first time i'm talking to you and i hate myself for that. but please, you guys have had varying degrees of success in tanking the other discussion. i request you to please stay off this one at least, if your sole agenda in life is to get frustrated at rajnikant's continuing success and cutting sorry figures in front of others. you can carry your good work in other threads, please.

"but the problem is that present-day rajnikant is a much bigger star than what bachchan was during the end of his hero days//

1)proof? for bachan's image smaller in his end-hero days??

1a)if so why wasnt CM released all over india?

2)is he being bigger a PROBLEM? i thought u will think the otherway. he he"


proof - bachchan's flops after his comeback as hero:
mrityudaata, kohraam, suryavamsham, laal badshah, major saab, aks, boom and more. the only hit as hero has been bade miyan chote miyan, that too largely for the david dhawan - govinda draw. i'm talking about the movies where he played hero, before he moved to character roles.

CM was not released all over india because there is no solid audience for south indian movies in the north. because it was not dubed, because it wasn't made as a bilingual, because the producers didn't want it to probably... what's the point? when i say rajni is a bigger star than bachchan after his comeback, i mean to say amitabh CANNOT ensure an initial pull for his solo starrers in any part of india similar to the one which is guaranteed for a rajni movie in the south. this is in no ways to discredit bachchan, who acording to me is the greatest star-actor this country has ever seen.

he being a bigger star is INDEED a problem for him as an actor. unlike kerala, where mohanlal and mammootty can experiment with their roles and still rake in the money, rajnikant is at a disadvantage being in tamil nadu where he's expected to tread a particular route time and again. bachchan could move to better, performance-oriented roles 'coz he was smart enough to realise that his days as angry young man were over and he made a quite shift. and it paid off. rajnikant's days as the formulaic hero are far from over, as the mega success of CM proves. you get the drift?

1)no one can stop others from posting the threads. if moderator deletes some persons post and is single mindid, then one can open a seperate thread for it. thats the speciality here, u cant close some ones mouth, and vice verse.

2) To put it simple, the success of rajni lies mainly in his speed and style, which he lack very much now......apart, he is/was a vasoolraja in TN & places where Tamilians reside. and to some extent in Japan too.Thats not a gr8 acheivement when comparing all india level.......there were & are VAsoolrajas all over india in different kinda states\categories. Rajni has not givena Titanic, not He is not an All-Indian Star, He may be known\bit famous in all parts of india, like kamal.Thatsall. Rajni can draw paralells but cannot be trmed the most BO claiming Star of india.

Kamal has multiple talentsm got sufficient failiures which were considered worthy classical, meaning and bringing his filmi talents and versetailities, This i known all over india. He works in multiple Filmi departments and almost succeded in all including mass hero ship and BO conquirement. In that way, Rjani cant be compared withKamal itself, i indial level. So comparoing, or bringing Amithaabh in linies between Rajni's capability is an all indian ridicule.

[HedgeYourBets]

Originally Posted by kasi_sce poornima sorry for the digression

vasanth_luv

// If rasini would do that then it will definitely end up in Tamil cinema producing more good movies, which now only a very few like Kamal,Mani.//

how can u term vasool raja, pks, 5thanthiram, virumandi (too much violence to convery a msg?? nah) as *good* movies.. even MX had nothing of that sort.. kamal's last good movie was Anbe Sivam...

Rajni too is a versatile actor.. i bet u cud hav watched n admired him in 6-60, mullum malarum, johny etc.., his last good perf oriented movie was thalapathi.. aft tht no one was ready to perceive him as such kinda actor.. thts y to satisfy his huge fans he started to do mass movies.. and in CM he dint do anything of tht sort except first few mins.. since CM is also a big hit wht i suggest is let him get back to the 80s and do perf oriented movies..

Sorry, dont agree with the "satisying the fans funda" it is just to
keep the fans in hand, not to lose them, to continue making the
big bucks, to maintain the popularity, nothing else. If it was for
the only reason of satisfying the fans, he would not be demanding
such high amounts for acting in the movies.

Rgds Tit for tat.. if he acts in a movie which has everything the fans need (punch dialogs, styles, action sequences) that movie will be a huge hit.. will do tremendous business and apparently he will get a lumpsome amount as salary... tit for tat

what i stress is even CM is a hit (not a huge one) in which he dint do anything special.. so what if he does some character oriented movies?? i believe his fansa will accept.. I will accept!!

[Beerinkol]

I wish I could see a "Rajni movie" with "padayappA-looking smoking Rajni" as a good "bad-guy" with a "kALi-attitude" (muLLum malarum) . AN ANTI-HERO (SMOKING and DRINKING and KILLING) with a beard of course.

The story should be more like an OLD "bad-guy" fights against bad people for some sort of "justice". Rajni's character in that movie should SMOKE, DRINK and KILL people just like our "william munny"!

* Never let politicians to control you or the cinemA, ever. Dont fall for the "bait".

* "appA" oru naaL oru character-ai paarthu thittuvaaru, "magan" innoru naaL innoru character-ai paaraattuvaaru.

* intha "dramA" ellAm namakku puthusA enna?

Know the difference! This is cinemA and FICTION. The actor will smoke and drink and RAPE if necessary for the "character".

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

"Kamal has multiple talentsm got sufficient failiures which were considered worthy classical, meaning and bringing his filmi talents and versetailities"

god, why are you hell-bent on this, man? is this discussion about kamal's talents??? please don't trigger another rajni-kamal debate here 'coz this is not the thread for that. why don't you just take a hike and post a thread on how big a hit his next movie is going to be in ettuppatti and timbuktu??

and bachchan was brought in 'coz there was a question whether rajni should take bachchan's route and try more serious roles. what national ridicule are you talking about? however hard you close your eyes, the fact remains that are only three superstars in india now - rajnikant, chiranjeevi and shah rukh khan, not necessarily in that order.

again, the topic we are on is about what his movies should look like from now.

[Lillie_Steins]

pesama veetula paduthu thoonga vendiyathudhan.
pavam vayasayiduchulla
bye bye perusu

[Peptobismol]

after chandramukhi's super success, talks are already taking rounds on rajnikant's next movie. a project with dharani for am rathnam, one with saran for kavithalaya and one with raja for editor mohan are the top-line assumptions at this point of time. but i personally feel that post-CM, it calls for a major shift in rajni's acting career. this success can actually prove disastrous if not taken in the right perspective.

one, CM has proved that a rajni movie actually doesn't need the patronage of his so-called die-hard fans who like to see him doing superhuman stunts and political propaganda for it to be successful. this, no doubt, is a good sign. it can bolster an initiative towards better films from his side, where he can play his age (even almost) and still be dignified and thoroughly entertaining. something like how bachchan graduated to more mature roles.

but the problem is that present-day rajnikant is a much bigger star than what bachchan was during the end of his hero days. understandably, he has to keep the star charisma intact with run-of-the-mill entertainers. he can probably do all-out actioners/comedies and follow them up with some off-beat stuff, by turn. it's time for him to shun teen heroines on screen, the cigarette flicks and sunglass swiping and go back to where he left last at dharmadurai and dalapathy. and please, no more stupid graphics (i've always wondered whether there are actually people who like such stuff. why would he keep repeating this? as someone who admires him, it's a big embarassment watching such scenes). also it's time he turned to young prodigies like selvaraghavan for an image makeover.

he doesn't have anything to prove, maybe. but he certainly owes one to the admirers of his talent. admirers who've always maintained that he has always been a brilliant actor who never got his due. but the big question is, would he take cue or just return to k.s. ravikumar for another bandaa special?

what's your take?

[Big A]

Poornima

I agree with your post, it would be great to c superb* star do a DON type of films like Baasha, but I am not keen on the fact that he sings duets with youn heroines, he is simple too cool & old for this, this applys to his fellow senior Kamal ji too!

after seeig CM , esp the vetai Raja Rajni, I just went back about 20 years ago to remember what a great & talented actor he was, he is an actor par excellence
but some thing went wrong from mid 90's, his fans expect extraordinary image from him, he had to live
with it, he is and was in dharma Sankatam state, i really feel sorry for him at times, due to the immense pressure inflicted on him
from has fans, after all, he is a human being not a super man

[Paul Bunyan]

crab, nickraman and vasanth_luv, this is the first time i'm talking to you and i hate myself for that. but please, you guys have had varying degrees of success in tanking the other discussion. i request you to please stay off this one at least, if your sole agenda in life is to get frustrated at rajnikant's continuing success and cutting sorry figures in front of others. you can carry your good work in other threads, please.

"but the problem is that present-day rajnikant is a much bigger star than what bachchan was during the end of his hero days//

1)proof? for bachan's image smaller in his end-hero days??

1a)if so why wasnt CM released all over india?

2)is he being bigger a PROBLEM? i thought u will think the otherway. he he"


proof - bachchan's flops after his comeback as hero:
mrityudaata, kohraam, suryavamsham, laal badshah, major saab, aks, boom and more. the only hit as hero has been bade miyan chote miyan, that too largely for the david dhawan - govinda draw. i'm talking about the movies where he played hero, before he moved to character roles.

CM was not released all over india because there is no solid audience for south indian movies in the north. because it was not dubed, because it wasn't made as a bilingual, because the producers didn't want it to probably... what's the point? when i say rajni is a bigger star than bachchan after his comeback, i mean to say amitabh CANNOT ensure an initial pull for his solo starrers in any part of india similar to the one which is guaranteed for a rajni movie in the south. this is in no ways to discredit bachchan, who acording to me is the greatest star-actor this country has ever seen.

he being a bigger star is INDEED a problem for him as an actor. unlike kerala, where mohanlal and mammootty can experiment with their roles and still rake in the money, rajnikant is at a disadvantage being in tamil nadu where he's expected to tread a particular route time and again. bachchan could move to better, performance-oriented roles 'coz he was smart enough to realise that his days as angry young man were over and he made a quite shift. and it paid off. rajnikant's days as the formulaic hero are far from over, as the mega success of CM proves. you get the drift?

rasini thatha is not as big as you think... Ramadas' votes are bigger than Rajini's fanclub membership!!

I think its high time he retires quietly without much ado to avoid any more shame or disastrous confrontation with Kamal films

Rajini never grasped TN politics... so he is not fit for that... His style is outdated, so he is not fit for cine career too...

Dhanush maaplekku manjal araithu kodukka time selavu panna vendiyadhu thaan inime...May be, his second daughter may act as heroine in a Kamal film.!!!

Baba's losses have removed all profits and goodwill receied form Rajini's films in the nineties... Now that Chandramuki is struggling to even recover its Minimum Guarantee (source - sify)... its end of options for Rasini thatha (in Rediff's words)

After baba's destruction, many Rajini fanclubs were converted into Ajith fanclubs in southern districts....Now there are 20,000 registered fanclubs for Rajini and almost 50,000 registered fanclubs for Ajith!!!!

Alas... history will remember rasini thatha as a loser...nothing more nothing less

Clearly, its a different world now!!!!

[HedgeYourBets]

Now rajni is very calm, and CM success also made hm happy.

what i feel is he must stop acting, come to politics. Thats it,
If not now, atleast after 5 yrs.That too will excite his fans.

Sorry machi, ungaali padam Chandramuki oothikichi... Minimum Guarantee kooda collect pannele in NSC-Chennai (source - sify)

Tamil Politics pathi rasini thathavukku enna theriyum? Ramadas' votes have been PROVEN to be more than a match to rasini's "prepaid" fanclubs...

[S.T.D.]

I believe what Rajini needs is a good Director. May be K. Balachander could do a Swayamvaram like movie by getting hold of all his former & present proteges.