[JennyStewarta]

No, I didn't, I just thought it was a very good and thorough analysis. :-)

[Gilowero]

Yes. The last four chapters are missing from that, but I can dig them up for you.

The last four chapters are here: http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Bo...urth_Tetra.pdf

Imo, the last four chapters are excellent & essential reading but I would not recommend the whole book. My view is it is too cumbersome and too technical.

My impression is large parts of it were adapted from Buddhaghosa's Vissudhimaggga and/or the Commentaries.

However, once one starts reading the book, one will decide on its value.

[Uzezqelj]

Thanks Element... seem those chapters are at the core of what has to be done...

[avitalporatova]

Hi

The book I am referring to as too cumbersome is this one: http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Bo...napanasati.pdf

[Soresbox]

OK... it is a different one... The one I downloaded is "Mindfulness with Breathing. Unveilling the Secrets of Life: A Manual for Begginers"

[Sx1qBli0]

Hi Aloka-D, Sri, Kaarine & Deshy:
Regarding the relationship of jhana to the "stages" of awakening, I've all ready made my opinion about it clear here:

http://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries...a+Stream+Entry

Post #19.

May all being find the causes of true happiness within.

[FalHaitle]

OK... it is a different one... The one I downloaded is "Mindfulness with Breathing. Unveilling the Secrets of Life: A Manual for Begginers"

Is this the link you used, Kaarine?

http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Bo..._Breathing.htm

[HotDolly]

Is this the link you used, Kaarine?

Yes Aloka...

[gyjsdtuwr]

Hi Aloka-D, Sri, Kaarine & Deshy:
Regarding the relationship of jhana to the "stages" of awakening, I've all ready made my opinion about it clear here:

I do not do Jhana; I still practice Zazen. I can not tell about Jhana.

[escolubtessen]

I do not do Jhana; I still practice Zazen. I can not tell about Jhana.

Which is unfortunate, given that Pali "Jhana" -> Sanskrit "Dhyana" --> Chinese "Ch'an" --> Japanese "Zen". Jhana starts out with a clear definition, and at the end of the chain "What is Zen?" becomes a koan. Alas!

[Romobencience]

Which is unfortunate, given that Pali "Jhana" -> Sanskrit "Dhyana" --> Chinese "Ch'an" --> Japanese "Zen". Jhana starts out with a clear definition, and at the end of the chain "What is Zen?" becomes a koan. Alas!

Well in Zazen we are not about stages... which I see Jhana has. At the end I think Zazen is about Samatha and Vipassana or at least the instruction I have been given equates more with the later.

[Jerwittdergut]

Which is unfortunate, given that Pali "Jhana" -> Sanskrit "Dhyana" --> Chinese "Ch'an" --> Japanese "Zen". Jhana starts out with a clear definition, and at the end of the chain "What is Zen?" becomes a koan. Alas!

So do you practise jhana?

[Uciaucrx]

So do you practise jhana?

I fail to see how this is relevant to the OP.

[Enrivaanonock]

I fail to see how this is relevant to the OP.

I had the same failure of sight when reading post #30 .

So what is the "clear defintion" being referred to?

[gorbasevhuynani]

Hi all,
In my humble opinion, asking if someone practices jhana is a question that should be a Members Only topic.
May all beings be truly happy.
bucky

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

I don't know if you consider personal experience a source, but that's how I know.

Hi

I read your "humble opinion" above.

It is my opinion personal declarations of jhana should not be discussed anywhere.

What is the benefit of entering into such delusional discussions based in grasping (upadana)?

[Obenuearema]

Hi all,
In my humble opinion, asking if someone practices jhana is a question that should be a Members Only topic.
May all beings be truly happy.
bucky

Why? Any particular reason why you can talk about jahan experiences but others cannot ask about it outside members only forum?

[Yarmark]

Hi all,
In my humble opinion, asking if someone practices jhana is a question that should be a Members Only topic.
May all beings be truly happy.
bucky

I can't see the relevance of this statement, sorry....and I tend to agree with Element's comment regarding personal declarations about jhana, or indeed about any perceived personal 'attainments'.

[jacknates]

I can't see the relevance of this statement, sorry....and I tend to agree with Element's comment regarding personal declarations about jhana, or indeed about any perceived personal 'attainments'.

I (usually) don't read Element's posts. Are these so-called "personal declarations about jhana or...perceived personal 'attainments?'" in a post Element made here?

[MFSSCW2c]

I (usually) don't read Element's posts. Are these so-called "personal declarations about jhana or...perceived personal 'attainments?'" in a post Element made here?

Lets not have yet another derailment with this kind of nonsense, please.

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