[Phlkxkbh]

Be interesting to see how Ambrosio does if he gets a drive in a decent car, rather than a slow Virgin.

I wouldn't expect him to do much - he'll be racing on a car he hasn't driven yet at an actual racetrack (or so I think), and we'll have Kimi as a benchmark. It's not like he's facing a brilliant prospect - but, of course, it's better than not driving at all.

Edit: well, he drove the car on the Mugello test - that's something. But still, considering he hasn't raced for almost a year, it would be a surprised if he managed to deliver a good performance.

[nryFBa9i]

Thats a harsh penalty if you ask me, but if the drivers are going to pull moves like he did then he needs to be made an example of. Totally out of order.
And this is a driver who I am usually full of praise for. That says a lot.

[seooptiman]

Alonso could have died today.

Alonso could have died yesterday too. In fact, Alonso could die tomorrow.

No doubt, Alonso will die. We all do.

[seekfrieddy]

Alonso could have died yesterday too. In fact, Alonso could die tomorrow.

No doubt, Alonso will die. We all do.

Just out of curiosity, why loose your venom on the Boatman? It's been 18 years since F1's last fatality, a streak I'd like to see continue until after I have a natural death. Is it that you harbor ill will toward Alonso, or are you an aspiring Existentialist?

[buyviagraonlineusatoday]

^ I think its the latter, Doc. She/he is right, you know but I digress.

It says on the back of every ticket I've bought to enter a motor-racing venue "Motor racing is dangerous.." I don't wish to see any fatalities, and given the nature of the accident, there surely would have been some serious injury in a similar scenario even 10 years ago. Safety has come a long way.

[Alex Photographer]

I think I probably agree with the penalty, but not the consistency. If that deserved a race ban, then IMO Maldanado should have missed 2 or 3 races over the last year and a half. Is it a consequence of the points on the licence for incidents, after all he has had a number of 1st lap incidents which stewards may have deemed point worthy

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[viepedorlella]

I think I probably agree with the penalty, but not the consistency. If that deserved a race ban, then IMO Maldanado should have missed 2 or 3 races over the last year and a half. Is it a consequence of the points on the licence for incidents, after all he has had a number of 1st lap incidents which stewards may have deemed point worthy

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to me it was the resulting carnage and the repeated problems at the start of the races that merited the one race ban
Maldonado is a bonehead for sure, but his problems and incidents are a bit different that what grosjean did

I too think Maldonado needs to sit for a race, but not in context to Grosjean's problems which are different
Yes, maldonado is stupid , and gets hot in the collar resulting in stupid incidents time and time again, but don't have the same potential to cause this type of carnage, safet car, possible serious injury, etc, as a driver incapable of judging his speed and position coming into the first corner of the start of the race. Simply put, the FIA have no faith that Grosjean won't create another disaster at the first corner of Monza, and anything short of a race ban will not change his habits or decision making. Somebody needs to tell him that its a 50+ lap race and not a sprint to the first corner

What is interesting is the quagmire for the teams with these 2 driver
Both are lightning quick, both have a good car under them, both can and should finish fairly high in the points at every race, but both consistently are their own worst enemy, often costing the team valuable points. so I'm not sure if it is better for the team to get a driver like senna who on his best day will get you p7-10 but hardly wreck the car, or a guy who could give you a race win and podiums, but just as likely to wreck the car

[Alexeric]

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The most memorable was a two-race suspension imposed on Michael Schumacher in 1994 with Benetton - the same team that became Renault and is now Lotus - for ignoring black warning flags

[andreas]

I did wonder if, in part, this ban came about because virtually every race at Spa this weekend featured some kind of monumental crash. The FIA needed to be seen to be doing something, when normally it would probably have imposed the standard 10-place grid drop.

As for reserves, it's difficult to see anyone other than d'Ambrosio getting the drive, especially since Monza is only a few days away. There's a certain irony in that, of course, as Grosjean came back to GP2 in 2010 initially as a one-off replacement for d'Ambrosio, to give DAMS something of a more reliable benchmark.

[pMJWFoAWD]

A just decision.


Grosjean was reckless and in this accident knocked more drivers out of the race than Maldonado in the whole year, and for no good reason. Despite of this, some people here once again try to convert this thread into a Maldonado bashing discussion. I am sorry guys buy you need to open your eyes a little. Maldonado may not be the smartest driver, and I am not a fan of his style, but in his crashes with Hamilton and Peres, both other drivers were equally or almost equally to blame as him. This specially applies to his crash with Hamilton. Both were acting stupid, yet within the rules IMO. But Grosjean squeezing Hamilton at the very start, and then crashing with him and taking out Alonso as well before coming to first corner was very dangerous and completely unacceptable.

[EntectCelpelm]

Just out of curiosity, why loose your venom on the Boatman? It's been 18 years since F1's last fatality, a streak I'd like to see continue until after I have a natural death. Is it that you harbor ill will toward Alonso, or are you an aspiring Existentialist?

It was a fair comment with no malice Doc. We will all die at some point and nothing suggested racing would be the cause in that statement.

[Ornamiviant]

It was a fair comment with no malice Doc. We will all die at some point and nothing suggested racing would be the cause in that statement.

A true statement but stating the obvious on a thread with a serious subject about a racing incident serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever, and I dare say it is more than a little provocative.

[sauppyshurb]

WTF

Maldonado was reprimanded in Silverstone (IIRC) and gets a 10 place grid drop yet because of a near miss as well as lairy moments earlier in the year Grosjean gets a race ban.

[inve.tment]

I think the penalty was harsh. Okay it caused a big accident, but that was just a consequence, there was no intent by Grosjean to cause a pile up.

I am very concerned about the consistency of the Stewards, and it seems that they have over-reacted because two championship contenders were taken out - quote "it eliminated leading championship contenders from the race" - that should be irrelevant, if it had been a Marussia and an HRT wouldn't it have been as important? What about the effect on Sauber???

At the start of the GP2 feature race Haryanto put Gutierrez completely on the grass and received no sanction, and Canamasas pushed another car into the wall on the run down to Eau Rouge (just one meeting after taking someone else out on the last lap in Hungary) and received a 4 place grid penalty which didn't hurt him as he had was retired and starting at the back anyway.....

What Grosjean did was no better and no worse to what Webber, Alonso and Vettel have all done in the last couple of years, none of which resulted in any sanctions.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for clean racing (see my comments about the BTCC), but feel that Grosjean has been too harshly treated - a 5 place grid drop and a final warning would have been much fairer

WT (tin hat on.....)

[lymnCymment]

A couple of points I'm not sure have been broached .
Firstly , Grosjean said , I believe , that he didn't see Lewis was still there .
This , to start with , is admission that he just figured Lewis must have backed out of the move down the inside .
Surely , a lunge sideways in close quarters isn't wise , but it surely indicates he's telling the truth there .

Grosjean should not have assumed Lewis wasn't there , especially because Lewis is not known for backing out of bold moves .

Second problem , and one of primary importance , is that Grosjean couldn't see him , even though he was very much alongside .

[id2008]

Oops , almost forgot .
I know of a guy who could step in .

[shinesw]

Oops , almost forgot .
I know of a guy who could step in .

Jarno ?

[Maphpseurse]

Jarno ?

Ok then .
I guess I can think of two .

[mirzaterak]

Dont quite agree Baggy.

Point 1, Romain was Behind Lewis on the grid so knew he was there.

Point 2. Lewis made no move apart from to move Away from the Lotus.

Point 3. If RG can't get alongside a car that was previously in front of him and not realise it hasn't disappeared into thin air, then to coin a Lewisism, WTF is he doing holding a Superlicence?

[bactrimtab]

Dont quite agree Baggy.

Point 1, Romain was Behind Lewis on the grid so knew he was there.

Point 2. Lewis made no move apart from to move Away from the Lotus.

Point 3. If RG can't get alongside a car that was previously in front of him and not realise it hasn't disappeared into thin air, then to coin a Lewisism, WTF is he doing holding a Superlicence?

He assumed he had backed out because he couldn't see him .
You can't see a guy that is right beside you .

Lewis didn't back out , and why would he ?
He could not have expected Grosjean to jink sideways , and again , why would he ?

So , two points I don't want you to miss .
Why expect Lewis to back out ?
And , the side bolsters protect the head but make it so they can't friggin see what's right beside them .