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Old 07-29-2012, 08:34 PM   #21
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I think that it depends on the track. In some races McLaren are fastest, in others the Red Bull. Ferrari is clearly a very good and reliable car too. The Lotus is above average, while the Merc is quite inconsistent.
I think close to being right


The best car??

Answer is simple-whichever car is lucky enough to get the right set of tires for the particular car particular driver and particular track.........

Actually, I think the most important factor is the tires given to each team. The tires are inconsistent, respond to different tracks in different ways, such that the cars are not consistent in performance from race to race or even from one set of tires to the next set on the same track.

The tires/car/track go from to


Best example-what driver/car went from no where, to an absolutely kick-butt, stomp the field, win?

Hint: and went back to almost nowhere..........................................
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Old 07-29-2012, 08:43 PM   #22
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as soon as i finish in another hour or so, your momma will say hi......after she clears her throat
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Old 07-29-2012, 08:49 PM   #23
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:10 PM   #24
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Today McLaren were the best. I hope that Red Bull and Ferrari can strike back.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:18 PM   #25
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Lotus weren't far off either here, be interesting to see what happens on F1's return from holiday at Spa. A very different circuit.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #26
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Today McLaren were the best. I hope that Red Bull and Ferrari can strike back.
Yesterday they were. Today Red Bull was better and probably Lotus too. But overall, the best car of the week was Red Bull.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:42 PM   #27
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Yesterday they were. Today Red Bull was better and probably Lotus too. But overall, the best car of the week was Red Bull.
We have to agree to disagree here. I think that the Red Bull was very mediocre yesterday and today.
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:48 PM   #28
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Yesterday they were. Today Red Bull was better and probably Lotus too. But overall, the best car of the week was Red Bull.
I'm not so sure. Was Vettel doing 1m26s knowing a pit stop was coming and going for a 3 stopper?

I'd say Lotus had the best car today.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:15 PM   #29
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Lotus had definetley the better car today,and got its two drivers on the podium,and Hamilton had or did a good job of holding off Grosjean early in the race cos the Lotus had some real pace .
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:17 PM   #30
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But not in qualy and here overtaking is impossible. McLaren were the best this weekend - well done for the boys in Walking.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:03 AM   #31
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Car of the day was the Lotault (still can't call it a Lotus!). Another missed opportunity.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:41 AM   #32
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MacLaren!!
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:12 AM   #33
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Car of the day was the Lotault (still can't call it a Lotus!). Another missed opportunity.
Surely qualifying hampers Lotus. Despite a lot of podiums already, Räikkönen hasn't qualified higher than 5th (4th on the grid in China after Hamilton's penalty) this season. If he could get to the front on Saturdays, he could win. Reminds a bit of 2008, when grid positions prevented Kimi from having a more successful season. But who knows, maybe he can win the WDC without a race win.
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Old 07-30-2012, 07:06 AM   #34
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qualifying, and their pit stops are slooooow
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:14 PM   #35
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OK, lets try and put a bit of logic behing the hocus-pocus of guesswork.

Fastest car out there was Red Bull with a 1:2.136. This was over a second faster than the next fastest lap of Perez and Webber.

The best engines out there would appear to be Renault closly followed by Ferrari with 7 out of the top 8 finishers between them.

Then we have two Mercedes engined car of Jenson and Schumcher topping out the top 10 fstest lap.

Formula 1

What is quite telling is that Kimi and Mark set their laps at just over half distance when the cars were still quite heavy.

Alonso has a great car but if the Renault powered cars keep putting in these sorts of performances, then his lead isn't unassailiable.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:08 PM   #36
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OK, lets try and put a bit of logic behing the hocus-pocus of guesswork.

Fastest car out there was Red Bull with a 1:2.136. This was over a second faster than the next fastest lap of Perez and Webber.

The best engines out there would appear to be Renault closly followed by Ferrari with 7 out of the top 8 finishers between them.

Then we have two Mercedes engined car of Jenson and Schumcher topping out the top 10 fstest lap.

Formula 1

What is quite telling is that Kimi and Mark set their laps at just over half distance when the cars were still quite heavy.

Alonso has a great car but if the Renault powered cars keep putting in these sorts of performances, then his lead isn't unassailiable.
Race pace laptimes dont really tell us what the 'fastest' car is, ie; Im sure Lewis could have given us a fastest laptime if he really had to... at the unwanted expense of reduced tyre performance later in the race. F1 races are now pretty much endurance events as far as the current tyres go.... and yep, the fact that Kimi and Mark set their fast laps at just over half race distance says it all.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:45 PM   #37
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Race pace laptimes dont really tell us what the 'fastest' car is, ie; Im sure Lewis could have given us a fastest laptime if he really had to... at the unwanted expense of reduced tyre performance later in the race.
I remember McLaren's getting fastest race laps last season and many were suggesting they had the best car but Red Bull had the best driver making the difference. In reality it is how you say and a fastest race laptime tells us nothing if we want to compare performance in a reliable sense.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:31 PM   #38
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OK, lets try and put a bit of logic behing the hocus-pocus of guesswork.

Fastest car out there was Red Bull with a 1:24.136. This was over a second faster than the next fastest lap of Perez and Webber.
A bit of logic ie. fastest lap overall just isn't enough.

Vettel set his fastest laps on his final 11 lap stint, on a 3 stopper and on scrubbed softs.

On the other hand Kimi was on a 2 stopper. His personal best was 1m25.831 whilst coming at the end of longish middle stint of 25 laps on scrubbed softs.
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:26 PM   #39
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I said a 'bit' of logic??? I never said it was definitive.

The fastest car out there is more than just a single lap time but is down to how a car performs over a race. All I was pointing out was that The Ferrari and Renault engined car seem to be the best out there. Whether this is Ferrari, Lotus or Red Bull is immaterial but the Renault cars especially seem to be very gentle on their tyres.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:14 PM   #40
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I said a 'bit' of logic??? I never said it was definitive.

The fastest car out there is more than just a single lap time but is down to how a car performs over a race. All I was pointing out was that The Ferrari and Renault engined car seem to be the best out there. Whether this is Ferrari, Lotus or Red Bull is immaterial but the Renault cars especially seem to be very gentle on their tyres.
Then why base you answer soley on fastest lap times?

Is it simple enough to say Ferrari or Renault have the best engines based on simple statistics?
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