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Old 07-23-2012, 05:51 AM   #21
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Alonso and Button.

Hamilton for donkey award for wanting to retire after a puncture at the start of the race - even with the benefit of hindsight. What a wimp.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:38 AM   #22
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Great drive by button. I think that flat spot cost him the win.
No Way! It was Alonso who cost him the win. Couldn't get close in the DRS zone and Alonso deployed KERS in the perfect places. Those were Buttons exact words.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:42 AM   #23
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Alonso and Button.

Hamilton for donkey award for wanting to retire after a puncture at the start of the race - even with the benefit of hindsight. What a wimp.
McLaren made him go back out and collect tire data to use for Button's race. Not bad for a number two driver. Lmao...
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:29 PM   #24
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No Way! It was Alonso who cost him the win. Couldn't get close in the DRS zone and Alonso deployed KERS in the perfect places. Those were Buttons exact words.
A point well taken! Regardless of what Button said; unfortunately in the U.S. they didn't show this race live, and my comment was based on what I observed from a Sky proxy in a 3x5 inch window while paying much more attention to sector, lap times in another window, and commenting on two forums. After watching it on a proper HDTV with full attention on the racing it is abundantly clear that Fred won this race on merit, which was largely due to getting the pole with a car that some said was not set-up for dry racing, which his race pace proved was an erroneous assumption, not to mention his guile, and superior race craft
Forza Ferrari.....Scuderia Alonso!
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:54 PM   #25
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Alonso and Button.

Hamilton for donkey award for wanting to retire after a puncture at the start of the race - even with the benefit of hindsight. What a wimp.
Well, he said earlier this week that he exists to win and obviously is not interested in anything else. Now I hope that you can understand why I can't stand the guy, although I admire his talent and respect his achievements in the sport.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:04 PM   #26
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He said the car was handling terrible after the damage from the puncture. It wasn't just a simple puncture as some of you are trying to make out, so let's get a few facts straight there. I'm sure there was an element of frustration in his request but you'd have to be a very calm individual and someone who has never lost their temper to judge him to harshly. Come on now.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:09 PM   #27
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He said the car was handling terrible after the damage from the puncture. It wasn't just a simple puncture as some of you are trying to make out, so let's get a few facts straight there. I'm sure there was an element of frustration in his request but you'd have to be a very calm individual and someone who has never lost their temper to judge him to harshly. Come on now.
As always - I say that I am not a fan and I am blamed immediately
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:08 PM   #28
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Alonso. Button - no way. He should have won the race and he was slower than Hamilton for a lot of it even though Hamilton's car was damaged. It was about time he had a good race but no way he was drive of the day. Schuey had a great race, so did Perez and Kobayashi.

Honorable mention to Petrove for finishing 16th in a race where there was only 1 retirement.

Donkey, Vettel for his overtake one Button which was always going to be penalized thus costing him valuable championship points.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:46 PM   #29
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Button AKA "Can't Pass" ?

Alonso, Kimi and Kobayashi for me.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:54 PM   #30
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Driver Alonso, with plenty of honorable mentions... Kimi, both Sauber drivers, both Force India drivers... plenty of good drives.


Donkey... the track officials who had no idea that some first turn incidents might leave debris on the track. I can certainly understand that during a race you don't send track workers darting across the track, but you would think any well prepared race would have contingencies to clear debris in the first couple of turns at the race start. This isn't unique to this race but they were lucky only Lewis suffered a puncture, and even more lucky some of that flying carbon fiber didn't injure someone. That was some nasty chunks of stuff flying around!
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:33 PM   #31
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Button - no way. He should have won the race and he was slower than Hamilton for a lot of it even though Hamilton's car was damaged.
I think your memory may be a bit selective there. Button was lapping considerably faster than Hamilton for the vast majority of the race, bar a handful of laps after each of Hamilton's pit stops. Check out the race history chart on the FIA web site.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:53 PM   #32
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I think your memory may be a bit selective there. Button was lapping considerably faster than Hamilton for the vast majority of the race, bar a handful of laps after each of Hamilton's pit stops. Check out the race history chart on the FIA web site.
Yeah, I just looked at them and I stand corrected. But even looking at them there the difference, accounting for Hamilton being in a race with back markers and the likes, tehre wasn't a lot for a lot between them when Hamilton had clear air. But you're right, Button was faster for most of the race. He still doesn't get close to drive of the race though. He should have won. Good to see him up there again though!
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:14 PM   #33
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Forgot to mention Massa as the biggest donkey for causing a very avoidable accident at the start of the race. Not good enough from a Ferrari driver.
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Old 07-23-2012, 11:21 PM   #34
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Alonso and Button.

Hamilton for donkey award for wanting to retire after a puncture at the start of the race - even with the benefit of hindsight. What a wimp.
That is not the first time Hammy has wanted to retire when he has been down in 18th or so...
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:09 AM   #35
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As always - I say that I am not a fan and I am blamed immediately
Who you support is irrelevant to me, its your wording and opinion I respond to. You suggested he simply complained and asked to retire because of his position. That wasn't his explanation after the race and I'm pretty sure you don't have the inside knowledge to prove otherwise. Call it what you will, but trying to mislead people who have all seen the race isn't particulary bright.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:10 AM   #36
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That is not the first time Hammy has wanted to retire when he has been down in 18th or so...
In Canada it wasn't the first time Lewis has lifted a trophy after finishing in first place.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:10 AM   #37
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Who you support is irrelevant to me, its your wording and opinion I respond to. You suggested he simply complained and asked to retire because of his position. That wasn't his explanation after the race and I'm pretty sure you don't have the inside knowledge to prove otherwise. Call it what you will, but trying to mislead people who have all seen the race isn't particulary bright.
Indeed. There was no suggestion at all that he wanted to retire due to his suggestion, rather the state of his car. His pace was excellent throughout so it's unlikely that he really didn't want to be there.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:01 AM   #38
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As much as I dislike Alonso, if he wins the WDC this year it will be very well deserved. He's just got on with it this year, no moaning when the car was less than its best, week in/week out he's brought home the points.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:21 AM   #39
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He said the car was handling terrible after the damage from the puncture. It wasn't just a simple puncture as some of you are trying to make out, so let's get a few facts straight there. I'm sure there was an element of frustration in his request but you'd have to be a very calm individual and someone who has never lost their temper to judge him to harshly. Come on now.
Indeed. There was no suggestion at all that he wanted to retire due to his suggestion, rather the state of his car. His pace was excellent throughout so it's unlikely that he really didn't want to be there.
I might not be remembering things in correct order but I thought it went thus...

-Lewis got puncture and entered pits on Lap 2.

-While entering pits on Lap 2. Radio played saying we might as well retire. Thats before he has had a new set of tyres and felt if there was any damage. Of course the car feels terrible with a puncture.

-Then on Lap 3 or 4 he radio'd in again saying car feels weird. Then sets a time as fast as leaders.

- Then continues to race hard and battle his way up the field.Albeit not high enough.

So that seems to suggest he was ready to quit before knowing true extent of the damage to his car. Just because he didn't fancy a race amounst HRTs and Marussia's.

I was disappointed to hear this as just last week on the News he stated I can't promise anything except I will never give up. Which he maybe would have had it not been for the Mclaren team.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:40 AM   #40
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Who you support is irrelevant to me, its your wording and opinion I respond to. You suggested he simply complained and asked to retire because of his position. That wasn't his explanation after the race and I'm pretty sure you don't have the inside knowledge to prove otherwise. Call it what you will, but trying to mislead people who have all seen the race isn't particulary bright.
Put your fanboyism aside:

Ever noticed that when ever Hamilton is forced to confront the media after a sh*t race he likes to wear his shades.

Nor is it the first time Hamilton had obviously had to say the right things with the media.

The only credit he gets out of it is that after the pit stop he knuckled down and drove round his damaged car.
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