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Old 03-17-2012, 09:41 PM   #1
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Default Ferrari's new design
I've seen many people criticizing Ferrari's new design (particularly, their front suspension) and I wanted to bring something to your attention. Today, the Ferrari has had disastrous top speed, and, according to Marc Gené, that was the main weakness of the car. The car seems to have pretty decent downforce and it behaves well on the corners, but it's losing a lot of time in the straights due to its huge drag. Of course, the fault for this is Ferrari's new design, but at least, it's not about their suspension, but because of poor aerodynamics.

If they can turn things around, the car might actually turn to be much better than it is now. Whether they could challenge for wins or not, no one can say, but I would be surprised if they didn't manage to fix their problems in a few races and they didn't get back to the front rather soon.

By they way, I can't provide a link to a source because Gené said this live on TV during qualifying, so you'll have to trust me on this one.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:51 PM   #2
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Mark Hughes in this week's Autosport said the package within the sidepod is too compromising to optimise the exhausts and directing the hot air properly without burning up the rear tyres.

Basically it's likely going to be a B-spec because the sidepods will have to be redesigned and incorporate the side impact structures.
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Old 03-17-2012, 10:08 PM   #3
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Is the poor top speed really due to high drag or is it at least partly due to a poor exit speed because it doesn't look very tied down in corners?
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Old 03-17-2012, 10:22 PM   #4
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Gary Anderson:

"Ferrari's performance here has been worse than testing. The problem is in the aerodynamic package. They need to take a step backwards and look at the basic aero package. They'll have to go backwards to go forwards. They talked about an aggressive design but they have to have reasons for that and I think they've missed the boat. The way the front geometry is doesn't make the front tyres work well - but it's not one thing, it's a lot of stuff."

BBC Sport - Fernando Alonso warns Ferrari need a ‘new direction’
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:36 AM   #5
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It reminds me a lot of the problems Jordan had with their 1998 car before it was overhauled and won in Belgium.

If anything it looks like they depended on the blown diffuser system a lot more than Red Bull ever did, it just has absolutely no rear grip in braking and cornering and as a result, it drifts in braking causing the car to swerve towrds the centre of the road or the grass and when even a driver as good as Alonso exeriences that, you know you have some major problems

So maybe to cover for the blown diffuser ban, in promising an "Aggressive design" maybe they've gone too aggressive and its not a quick fix problem, it might force Ferrari to bring out a sort of B-Spec car sometime this season if they want to have any chance of being competitive
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:24 AM   #6
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Keep an eye out for Briatore - He will come to the rescue
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:41 AM   #7
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Massa: Ferrari worse than expected - Yahoo! Eurosport

this is what massa is saying

TBH you could change around the words Ferrari and Massa and come up with the same result
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:18 PM   #8
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Keep an eye out for Briatore - He will come to the rescue
One more reason not to like the new Ferrari team.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:19 PM   #9
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Massa: Ferrari worse than expected - Yahoo! Eurosport

this is what massa is saying

TBH you could change around the words Ferrari and Massa and come up with the same result
He probably doesn't give a damn, and that's right after they shafted him royally in Germany 2010.
He keeps getting rich and in the end that's all that counts.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:20 PM   #10
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One more reason not to like the new Ferrari team.
Briatore coming to Ferrari would actually probably make the team more worthy of respect, so low have they fallen.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:21 PM   #11
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He probably doesn't give a damn, and that's right after they shafted him royally in Germany 2010.
He keeps getting rich and in the end that's all that counts.
He is embarrassing himself out there and will be out of seat after this year if he does not improve.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:23 PM   #12
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Keep an eye out for Briatore - He will come to the rescue
A sleazy cheater is not what Ferrari - or indeed any team - need right now. The man's a disgrace, he was instrumental in ordering a driver to deliberately crash and put himself and others in harm's way. He should never be allowed near a paddock ever again.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:24 PM   #13
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He is embarrassing himself out there and will be out of seat after this year if he does not improve.
Maybe he doesn't want to continue and just wants the money.
He also must have a hell of a contract if they don't even try to remove him.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:24 PM   #14
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[Massa] is embarrassing himself out there and will be out of seat after this year if he does not improve.
Change "after" for "during" and you might be nearer the mark
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:25 PM   #15
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A sleazy cheater is not what Ferrari - or indeed any team - need right now. The man's a disgrace, he was instrumental in ordering a driver to deliberately crash and put himself and others in harm's way. He should never be allowed near a paddock ever again.
This!
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:29 PM   #16
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A sleazy cheater is not what Ferrari - or indeed any team - need right now. The man's a disgrace, he was instrumental in ordering a driver to deliberately crash and put himself and others in harm's way. He should never be allowed near a paddock ever again.
Well, Ferrari already got themselves one cheat (alonso), so it is not like they can get any lower

Maybe he doesn't want to continue and just wants the money..
If that was the case, I would stop liking Massa at once and in that case he deserves to get treated worse than nr.2 by Ferrari.

Change "after" for "during" and you might be nearer the mark
Sadly you might be right.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:36 PM   #17
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If that was the case, I would stop liking Massa at once and in that case he deserves to get treated worse than nr.2 by Ferrari.
He did a lot for Ferrari.
He fought for the WDC in 2008 and they failed him with lost of incredible bad decisions.
He almost died in one of their cars while trying to get everything out of the turd that was the 2009 Ferrari.
And than in 2010 they shaft him when he's about to get his first win after his horrible accident! And what for? For a despicable race fixer who brought exactly nothing to Ferrari up to that point and the same nothing since then.

I were in his shoes I would have quit the team and make them look like dirt, which they are BTW, after Germany 2010, but that's me.
He could have had a seat in another team in 2010.

Now I think he doesn't care, he's doing the minimum required for his contract and pocketing the money, and I can not fault him for it as the right choice should have been made 18 months ago, and now it's too late for it.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:43 PM   #18
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He did a lot for Ferrari.
He fought for the WDC in 2008 and they failed him with lost of incredible bad decisions.
He almost died in one of their cars while trying to get everything out of the turd that was the 2009 Ferrari.
And than in 2010 they shaft him when he's about to get his first win after his horrible accident! And what for? For a despicable race fixer who brought exactly nothing to Ferrari up to that point and the same nothing since then.

I were in his shoes I would have quit the team and make them look like dirt, which they are BTW, after Germany 2010, but that's me.
Yes, he should have done that. He should have told them to shove it, but instead he did the wrong thing and gave Alonso the win.

But when you say Massa did a lot for Ferrari, well, Ferrari did a huge amount for him as well. Without Ferrari his career could have been over after 2002.
Now I think he doesn't care, he's doing the minimum required for his contract and pocketing the money, and I can not fault him for it as the right choice should have been made 18 months ago, and now it's too late for it. Sadly his career will be over after this season when he keeps this. up
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:43 PM   #19
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Keep an eye out for Briatore - He will come to the rescue
It's inevitable, isn't it? Flavio may be a villain, but he knows how to win and this is something the current team needs. But in way, they are getting what they deserved. They were unfair to too many drivers - Michael in 2006, Kimi in 2009, Felipe in 2010, these things - call me a new age fool, I don't care - but sooner or later if you act unfairly, karme gets you, like it hit Williams. Now it hits Ferrari. I would be happy if they recover, I will always have a soft spot for them, but do I pity them now? No at all.
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:44 PM   #20
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Now it hits Ferrari. I would be happy if they recover, I will always have a soft spot for them, but do I pity them now? No at all.
Well, I hope they have many years like 1992 and 1993.
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