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kKFB1BxX 12-23-2011 09:26 PM

Senna to Williams in 2012?
 
Senna fecha com Williams para correr temporada de 2012, diz jornalista - Grande Prêmio / Fórmula 1 - IG

Apparently a done deal.

Which would be unfortunate as Alguersuari, Sutil and Barrichello look to be without drives for 2012, despite being better drivers... although presumably with less cash.

SkHukV3N 12-23-2011 10:57 PM

I'm not sure it is a done deal as only Brazilian media has been reporting it so far, but rumours about Senna-Williams negotiations have certainly been gathering pace recently. Well, what can I say. I'd say driving-wise Sutil would be the better choice for Williams at the moment. But probably Senna has managed to find an irresistible amount of money, much more than Sutil (or Barrichello for that matter) have managed.

Line-up of Maldonado and Senna? Williams would have two drivers, who have had some impressive qualifying runs, but are yet to prove themselves in race trim.

imawlBoli 12-23-2011 11:28 PM

whilst I would be very happy to see Senna stay in F1, as I like him, I would rather see Sutil and Alguesari ahead of him in the queue

forebirdo 12-24-2011 02:28 AM

Senna is ok, but Sutil must be on the grid next year, I mean he drove very well in the second half of the season and he even has sponsorship. If he doesn't get a drive, his manager should look hard in the mirror.

lXwVlTgO 12-24-2011 07:39 AM

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Senna is ok, but Sutil must be on the grid next year, I mean he drove very well in the second half of the season and he even has sponsorship. If he doesn't get a drive, his manager should look hard in the mirror.
He will have a drive. Most likely Jarno's seat.

PhilipBartew 12-24-2011 09:36 AM

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I would be very happy to see Senna stay in F1
I would be very happy to see qualified drivers instead.

Duseshoug 12-24-2011 06:27 PM

Williams, to me, is a bit like Ridley Scott.

Scott's first films, most notable ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER, were his best. He made some good ones following that, like THELMA & LOUISE and GI JANE, but he never quite achived the same heights. Then, some time around 2001, and lost it. GLADIATOR was the last good film he made. Everything since has slowly spiralled down, until 2010's soulless and joyless ROBIN HOOD. Fortuantely, the trailer for PROMETHEUS went up yesterday, and it was the first time I had been genuinely excited for a Ridley Scott film in years.

Williams is much the same. 1992-93 was probably about the last time they were truly exciting, and Jacques Villeneuve was their GLADIATOR. Then, around 2001, they started to go downhill (though I will always have a soft spot for Juan Pablo Montoya, simply because he was one of the few drivers that ever seemed to have anything interesting to say). This came to a head in 2011, their worst season since their inception. 2011 was Williams' ROBIN HOOD. There was no longer any joy in watching them race.

What Williams need for 2012 is a PROMETHEUS - someone who can re-ignite the spark of excitement within. They had their chance with Kimi Raikkonen (though personally, I am not a fan), and lost it. And I don't think Bruno Senna or Adrian Sutil would replace that, either. The other popular rumour at the moment is that Ferrari are pushing hard to get Jules Bianchi into a seat for 2012, and that they are leaning on Sauber to buy Kamui Kobayashi out of his contract. Kobayashi, it is believed, would wind up at Williams. Althought the FW33 was a shopping trolley cleverly disguised as a racing car, Kobayashi has what Williams needs: the spark. He is their PROMETHEUS, the person who can make Williams exciting again.

forebirdo 12-24-2011 06:58 PM

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I would be very happy to see qualified drivers instead.
I don't know. Senna qualified very well on many occasions and had some good and some bad races. He is certainly a qualified driver based also on his performances in GP2. The problem for him is there are quite a few qualified drivers looking for one or two seats.

MoreEndotte 12-24-2011 08:28 PM

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Senna is ok, but Sutil must be on the grid next year, I mean he drove very well in the second half of the season and he even has sponsorship. If he doesn't get a drive, his manager should look hard in the mirror.
I agree, Senna's ok and it would be a shame to see him disappear, but much less so than Sutil. I can't believe after the best season that a Force India driver has ever had he's still looking doubtful for a seat.

Also, a Senna/Maldonado lineup seems a little weak to me.

I wouldn't say it's a done deal that Trulli will be dropped either; that certainly seemed to be the mood a couple of months ago, but that's all gone quiet recently. And if he is dropped I bet it'll be for Petrov.

KellyMP 12-24-2011 11:24 PM

Good choice. Senna will prove a valuable signing for Willaims if it happens

soipguibbom 12-25-2011 12:30 AM

Williams would be better without Paster,BUT without him where will the money to run the team come from?

poRmawayncmop 12-25-2011 01:14 AM

Am I alone in being singularly unexcited by all the possible driver options at Williams' disposal? None will ever set the world alight.

imawlBoli 12-25-2011 03:20 AM

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I would be very happy to see qualified drivers instead.
nice selective quoting there http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

SkHukV3N 12-25-2011 06:52 AM

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Am I alone in being singularly unexcited by all the possible driver options at Williams' disposal? None will ever set the world alight.
This is what happens, when you are rapidly going towards the rear end of the grid. The only chance for Williams to stumble across a 'world star' is if they happen to hire a very promising rookie, like once Minardi hired Alonso and others. But even then it can be recalled that they let Hülkenberg, a star of the feeder series, go...

If you are expecting a future WDC at Williams, then you can be unexcited about the driver options of Williams. Otherwise it's not that bad as long as they don't resort to hiring drivers in the caliber of Fauzy, Chandhok or Yamamoto. In that car no-one would be able to score many points anyway. You can also claim that the line-ups of Marussia and HRT leave you unexcited, but it doesn't matter, since they are unable to achieve anything anyway.

RotsLoado 12-25-2011 07:22 AM

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This is what happens, when you are rapidly going towards the rear end of the grid. The only chance for Williams to stumble across a 'world star' is if they happen to hire a very promising rookie, like once Minardi hired Alonso and others. But even then it can be recalled that they let Hülkenberg, a star of the feeder series, go...

If you are expecting a future WDC at Williams, then you can be unexcited about the driver options of Williams. Otherwise it's not that bad as long as they don't resort to hiring drivers in the caliber of Fauzy, Chandhok or Yamamoto. In that car no-one would be able to score many points anyway. You can also claim that the line-ups of Marussia and HRT leave you unexcited, but it doesn't matter, since they are unable to achieve anything anyway.
I've always felt that the car was the most important drawcard at Williams, moreso than other teams. Traditionally there isn't a culture of nurturing the driver, which I think becomes more important if the car is sub-par.

giftplas 12-25-2011 04:37 PM

i think Senna will be a good choice as he did quite decently in Renault. Williams though have slowly faded and there doesnt seem to be any improvements ocming the way its going http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/frown.gif

Pa33anger 12-25-2011 06:31 PM

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i think Senna will be a good choice as he did quite decently in Renault. Williams though have slowly faded and there doesnt seem to be any improvements ocming the way its going http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/frown.gif
I'm not so sure about that. With Renault engines and a refreshed technical and aero dept i think we will see a mini revival of sorts. Certainly a much stronger season than last. I think this time next year we will be looking back on a strong year that improved towards seasons end and looking foward to 2013.

rolex-buy 12-25-2011 07:55 PM

I will be glad to see Bruno in Williams for 2012, although there are other drivers in dance for that seat.

margoaroyo 12-26-2011 12:42 AM

I would like to see him paired with a veteran racer, but I'd like to see Bruno at Williams.

itaspCatCriny 12-27-2011 05:19 AM

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Am I alone in being singularly unexcited by all the possible driver options at Williams' disposal? None will ever set the world alight.
It seems like a sign of desperation, rather like signing Coughlan. I think it says a lot that the only teams I can think of with a weaker lineup (assuming Senna is indeed signed) are HRT and STR with the latter shackled by Red Bull's bizarre driver decision. While I think Maldonaldo has spark both drivers are inexperienced and are unlikely to threaten the podium even in a competitive car. Poor choice.

Williams might rue not signing Rubens or Sutil if Lotus finally manage to break into a points scoring position which they might do with a new Renault powertrain and KERS. They may well lose more money through finishing another place or two down than they gain from sponsorship.


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