[putza]

and Grosjean is official number 3.

good to see that Renault and Heidfield have sorted themselves out, imagine they've bought him out of his contract, but its good that its not hanging over the team any longer.

I am also genuinely interested to see how Senna fares for the rest of the year. I knw he didn't exactly cream Chandock, and we don't think he's up to much, but I'm hoping that he's got a bit more than that, I've seen glimpses in the short career in the lower formulae that he might have something a bit special, but it could just be that I want him to be good and really he isn't - at least we should see over the rest of the season

Nick Heidfeld and Renault formally part company - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Renault and Heidfeld settle out of court- James Allen on F1

[6Rexw51X]

Great news. Senna showed in quali at Spa that he is indeed a very quick driver. IMO when a driver is driving for a team like Hispania, it's really hard to make judgments about the real driving ability. I mean look at Ricciardo, he seems quite slow and that's not really the case.

[viawbambutt]

IMO when a driver is driving for a team like Hispania, it's really hard to make judgments about the real driving ability. I mean look at Ricciardo, he seems quite slow and that's not really the case.

That's why they are compared to their team mates first of all.

[viawbambutt]

I guess Heidfeld got his full season paid for if not more, so he gets at leat 5 millions for driving half a season, not bad at all, especially as there aren't many drivers making more than 10 millions for a full season right now in F1. Better then seeing of the season with a team boss that hates him like Alonso vs Ron in 2007.

[zithromaxlinks]

Will we ever see Quick Nick in F1 again

[GtmFeqJJ]

Hope not,maybe good a few years ago,but steady comes to mind,and always drove a really wide car to pass,unless of course you were German

[6Rexw51X]

That's why they are compared to their team mates first of all.

If a team is in a really bad shape, it's not written in stone that they are actually able to prepare two equal cars. Luck might have a lot to with it, mechanical failures, who happens to get the better engineer etc.

[viawbambutt]

If a team is in a really bad shape, it's not written in stone that they are actually able to prepare two equal cars. Luck might have a lot to with it, mechanical failures, who happens to get the better engineer etc.

Is this the newest excuses for underperforming F1 drivers? Does this mean that due to having different engineers there is no way to ever compare two drivers in the same team?
By your logic for all we know Yuji Ide might be the best driver ever to put foot into F1 just unlucky it was a small team he 'drove' for.

[viawbambutt]

Hope not,maybe good a few years ago,but steady comes to mind,and always drove a really wide car to pass,unless of course you were German

Chauvinistic crap.

[6Rexw51X]

Is this the newest excuses for underperforming F1 drivers? Does this mean that due to having different engineers there is no way to ever compare two drivers in the same team?
By your logic for all we know Yuji Ide might be the best driver ever to put foot into F1 just unlucky it was a small team he 'drove' for.

A good example of what may go on in a team that is nearly broke is a thing that happened to my countryman JJ Lehto who drove for Onyx in the late 80's. He complained about a broken wing and in the next race he appeared to get a new one. No, it was the old one, they had just repainted it. I don't think Hispania were in that shape but still, when you don't know how badly things are in a team, it's perhaps best to give the drivers the benefit of the doubt, at least to an extent.

[unapelosina]

Chauvinistic crap.

Oh then you agree Heidfield is a Pussy

[MortgFinsJohnQ]

Is this the newest excuses for underperforming F1 drivers? Does this mean that due to having different engineers there is no way to ever compare two drivers in the same team?
By your logic for all we know Yuji Ide might be the best driver ever to put foot into F1 just unlucky it was a small team he 'drove' for.

It's hardly a secret that less well funded teams often can't afford to give both drivers equal equipment. That said het had no improvements at all last year so he didn't suffer in that way.

[exeftWabreava]

In some ways its a shame that Heidfeld and Renault settled out of court, this seems to happen in many aspects of life, though.


Those with the money are able to buy a "neutral" outcome and point to it as if to say "we are not to blame", when you and I know that they could easily tie the complainant up in an endless court case and drain them of both funds and the will to carry on of the complainant.

To me it's a pity, I would like to see a contract breaker taken to task - this comes from past life experience in the workplace (used to recruit and project manage IT staff for software development projects - hearding kittens is an apt analogy), rather than let them get away with disregarding a contract. You could be assured that if Heidfeld had tried to sack Renault they would'nt settle out of court.

Anyway, whats done is done but it would have been good if a precedent was set.

Now, back to the racing!

[immewaycypef]

If a team is in a really bad shape, it's not written in stone that they are actually able to prepare two equal cars. Luck might have a lot to with it, mechanical failures, who happens to get the better engineer etc.

True but Daniel is up against Luzzi, a man who being generous could be described as "average" for an F1 driver. Sure the car is crap but so is the team mate

[yahyynzer]

Sad to see Heidfeld's career peter out in the way is has been doing for quite some time now. But I guess there have been less inspiring drivers, much worse than Nick, to grace the F1 field with their presence over the decades. I'm glad Bruno has been given a better chance than his previous attempt with Hispania. I expect it'll take him a race or two to fully accustom to F1 racing again but he should be able to prove his worth in the last few races.

[PeterPatrickJohn]

True but Daniel is up against Luzzi, a man who being generous could be described as "average" for an F1 driver. Sure the car is crap but so is the team mate

It should be reminded that Vettel was struggling to match the same 'average' Liuzzi early in his career too, managing to achieve superiority only in the late-season wet weather races. So from that point of view Ricciardo is doing absolutely fine compared to a soon-to-be-double-WDC.

[viawbambutt]

It should be reminded that Vettel was struggling to match the same 'average' Liuzzi early in his career too, managing to achieve superiority only in the late-season wet weather races.

That's when you see who's good and who isn't.

[reaciciomarep]

That's when you see who's good and who isn't.

Or which team gambled with a wet weather set up and who didn't.

[6Rexw51X]

It should be reminded that Vettel was struggling to match the same 'average' Liuzzi early in his career too, managing to achieve superiority only in the late-season wet weather races. So from that point of view Ricciardo is doing absolutely fine compared to a soon-to-be-double-WDC.

Exactly, that's why drivers starting their careers in these Eurobruns and Lifes should not be judged based on results only.

[viawbambutt]

Or which team gambled with a wet weather set up and who didn't.

They were both in the same team!
You made my day with your pearl of infinite wisdom!