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Old 05-29-2011, 10:39 PM   #21
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100% agreed, there was enough place to go round a very slow Sutil without the need to brake check the whole field inclusive the race leaders.

Looks like Hamy can't grow up.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:41 PM   #22
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So how is Hammy supposed to know whether Sutil would suddenly move back onto the racing line ie. in front of him or not?
Experience?! Common sense?! Why would car with a lacking tire go on the racing line?

The Hamy apologists are very funny (I am being kind here).
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:41 PM   #23
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So how is Hammy supposed to know whether Sutil would suddenly move back onto the racing line ie. in front of him or not?
He wasn't going to know. So you think this is justification for Lewis then causing an accident rather than giving it a little bit of gas and seeing what happened?

If you're driving on the motorway and someone's tailgating you and you see something happen in front do you then slam on the brakes 100% to avoid something which is a little distance off in the front?
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:42 PM   #24
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Di Resta had a bad day. Should he get a race ban as well?

The only message a race ban will send is: "don't bother to attempt to overtake"
there's a difference between ONE bad overtake and 3 incidents involving one driver......
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:44 PM   #25
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there's a difference between ONE bad overtake and 3 incidents involving one driver......
To be fair, Di Resta made two stupid moves...
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:45 PM   #26
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A still image tells a different story than video. The gap that looks big in the still is much smaller when you're travelling at what, 100+ km/hour? Hamilton drove like a tit today but that incident was just bad luck.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:46 PM   #27
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Sutil was sliding around on a right rear rim, at what point is that going to follow a predictable path? Can't see much defence for some of the other incidents but the haters are stretching it with that one (I am being kind here).
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:48 PM   #28
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A still image tells a different story than video. The gap that looks big in the still is much smaller when you're travelling at what, 100+ km/hour? Hamilton drove like a tit today but that incident was just bad luck.
They are used to travel much faster than that, only that some make the right choice and Hamy made the wrong one at least 3 times today. I think that is telling a lot about his capabilities.

Just look at how Vettel, Alonso and Button all got through that mayhem unscathed because none of them is behaving like Hamilton.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:48 PM   #29
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He wasn't going to know. So you think this is justification for Lewis then causing an accident rather than giving it a little bit of gas and seeing what happened?

If you're driving on the motorway and someone's tailgating you and you see something happen in front do you then slam on the brakes 100% to avoid something which is a little distance off in the front?
rather subjective, don't you think?

Tailgater shouldn't be tailgating in the first place. If sheet happens, then that's their problem, IMHO.

Racing is a different matter entirely.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:48 PM   #30
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To be fair, Di Resta made two stupid moves...
Well the other one was only a touch from behind. Endplates will always get taken off
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:50 PM   #31
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Experience?! Common sense?! Why would car with a lacking tire go on the racing line?

The Hamy apologists are very funny (I am being kind here).
Stupidity, it does happen, right?

Vettel stupidly tried to defend from Kubica with shot tyres in Australia in 2009
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:50 PM   #32
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Sutil was sliding around on a right rear rim, at what point is that going to follow a predictable path? Can't see much defence for some of the other incidents but the haters are stretching it with that one (I am being kind here).
Sutil was driving straight at that moment and 2 car lengths at least ahead of Hamilton and out of the racing line. Slamming on the breaks was very bad judgement.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:50 PM   #33
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Stupidity, it does happen, right?

Vettel stupidly tried to defend from Kubica with shot tyres in Australia in 2009
Sure it happens, but 3 times in one race?! Maybe you can see the difference between the two cases, or maybe not?!
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:53 PM   #34
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He wasn't going to know. So you think this is justification for Lewis then causing an accident rather than giving it a little bit of gas and seeing what happened?

If you're driving on the motorway and someone's tailgating you and you see something happen in front do you then slam on the brakes 100% to avoid something which is a little distance off in the front?
Then the accident would clearly be the fault of the guy behind. Any insurance company would agree! Racing is not the same as driving on the motorway, but nevertheless I'm finding your argument quite bizarre. You admit Hamilton slowed to avoid a potential accident, but somehow that was the wrong thing to do?
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:53 PM   #35
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rather subjective, don't you think?

Tailgater shouldn't be tailgating in the first place. If sheet happens, then that's their problem, IMHO.

Racing is a different matter entirely.
You're trying to have your cake and eat it here. In the chat you were talking about the 2 second rule on the motorway and suddenly now any analogies involving driving on the road are a different matter.


Anyone on the road or track who risks an accident which is 100% certain to avoid what is merely a potential accident should sit out the next race.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:54 PM   #36
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Then the accident would clearly be the fault of the guy behind. Any insurance company would agree! Racing is not the same as driving on the motorway, but nevertheless I'm finding your argument quite bizarre. You admit Hamilton slowed to avoid a potential accident, but somehow that was the wrong thing to do?
Of course the guy tailgating is at fault. But if you choose not to avoid the 100% certainn accident merely to avoid a possible one in front then you're a bit stupid.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:59 PM   #37
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Hamilton talking about being targeted because he's black. He was joking, but still.
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Old 05-29-2011, 11:00 PM   #38
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That was ONE bad move though.
Plus all the others over the years, some might argue.
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Old 05-29-2011, 11:01 PM   #39
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I don't think he was slamming the breaks.
It's just that on this corner he doesn't take the same line as the others.
On a normal lap, he straightened the car on the apex of the second part of the corner but there he didn't because he saw Sutil.
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Old 05-29-2011, 11:02 PM   #40
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It would be fair to get a race ban for each case where he ended another driver's race, if he is deemed responsible for the accident.
Which would conveniently mean that Schumacher wouldn't have been penalised for Hungary last year. Funny you should come up with this idea after that very incident was mentioned...
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