[VogsHoock]

Mark Hughes is as bad as Peter Windsor. I see a lot of subjectiveness and little fact.

Case in point: The fact that Heidfeld beat Kubica in two of three years they were team-mates is a fact which is conveniently ignored in Hughes' article. I could go on.

Kubica is an excellent driver having a stellar season, no doubt helped by Petrov being rubbish. However, Hughes' article is just an opinion that is not better than anything a member of this forum could post... just my opinion.

agreed. and For a while that BMW was very competitive. I think that Kubica is a good driver but usually fades towards the end of races. With the one exception of Australia 2009. Vettel I actually rate below Kubica because he is more about pace in a good car than pure racecraft. And I don;t want people to go on about the STR in 2008 because by halfway through that season, it was a damn good car, even better than the RBR that season. Vettel is like Massa, a frontrunner. Webber to me is the driver on that step below Hamilton and Alonso on par with kubica.
Next down that list is the line of Vettel, Rosberg, Massa and yes, kobayashi

[insightmike]

Until a driver is put to the pressure of fighting for the WDC it is quite pointless to speculate how good they are. Fisichella was thought to be a great driver, but in the end was just soild. I think that with Heidfeld the case is similar. Good in a bad car, average in a good one.
I think that RK is a very good driver, but about the best - too early to say. From historical point of view, from me there is no doubt that Michael Schumacher is the best driver, at least from the current stars, as his prime he made spectacular races. Unfortunately, age is an enemy even he can not hope to overcome and now I have to agree with people who believe that Alonso and Hamilton are the best. It is true that both sometimes make costly mistakes, but in the end they are formidable rivals, always fast, always a threat, with never say never attitude. Jenson Button is a very good and extremely intelligent driver, but he hasn't the pure pace of FA and LH. Same about Webber. Vettel I think is very quick, but too immature.
From the rest, in his prime Massa is spectacular, but like MS, he is struggling badly with his tyres. Barrichello still has fire in him, but I think that we can all agree that he is not the most consistent driver. And there is Nico, who, just like Kubica, can not be judged properly until and if the right car and the chance arrive. I personally think that he is more like Heidfeld than like Kubica or Webber, but we will see.

[larentont]

and above all he's friends with Alonso but I agree he should have at least won the wdc this year in the 4-5th best car in f1.

LOL

[blankostaroe]

One point to consider also is that Kubica is not fighting for a WDC, and there is no pressure on him this year.

As a result I think his driving is measured and we are seeing the best of him.

How he performs when the pressure is really on is something we have yet to see from Robert, and whether, like all the other top drivers, he succumbs to errors and brainfade.....

[lXvtm0ox]

Yuji Ide

We can vote for someone as the best driver for different reasons, but obviously the best must prove themselves to be a champion. Mostly of us rate Alonso and Hamilton in tie, each of them have their strength and weakness. Perhaps Hamilton is faster, but Alonso proved himself contribute to tactic strategical on how to develop cars like Renault to be a winning car and fix Ferrari problem so that they can challenge for the title this year, is a plus point for him.

I think those currently driving are the best drivers. In case the cars are good enough to put them at the front they might be able to show the talent. Before driving Ferrari, and had the best achievement of only a point behind the champion of 2008, we may rate Massa was an average driver at Sauber.

Besides names mentioned above, perhaps drivers like Sutil, kobayashi, Buemi, or event Glock and Alguersuari are good provided the cars are in good pace.

[BadbarmrapBef]

Kubica has POTENTIAL. We saw the potential in Hamiltons first year and he has delivered that into a championship. Kubica needs a car that can compete and lets see what the pressure does.

At the moment, it's a free ride with a #2 that's making up numbers and no expectations.

Personally, I think he has great potential but want to see him race against a quality team mate. He hardly blew Nick away for the 3 and a half years did he? Now though, he has matured and should be in a position to make a real challenge.

[soineeLom]

Kubica is not the best driver in F1 because he's in a Renault and isn't challenging for the WDC. Why isn't he in one of the three top teams if he's one of the best? Because the six best drivers are already in the top seats?

How many of the current F1 drivers could win races in the Red Bull?

How many of the current F1 drivers could win a championship in the Red Bull?

[popillio]

I agree....he's certainly skilled and has talent of that there is no doubt. But until he gets a top seat and has to drive under severe pressure we won't know how good he is. Hamilton and Alonso have both had that and both won the title.

And as Arrows says if he good why isn't in a top seat already? I'd suggest that's because while he's shown flashes of speed he's not set F1 alight.

[BadbarmrapBef]

Kubica is not the best driver in F1 because he's in a Renault and isn't challenging for the WDC. Why isn't he in one of the three top teams if he's one of the best? Because the six best drivers are already in the top seats?

How many of the current F1 drivers could win races in the Red Bull?

How many of the current F1 drivers could win a championship in the Red Bull?

This story reminds me very much of the Vettel hype. Seb is undoubtedly quick but has he the temperament. Webber is slower but with a stronger racing brain at the moment.

You need to be exceptionally quick like Hamilton to make allowances for a lack of racing intelligence and I don't know if Seb is there yet.

Similarly, I think Kube is quick but untested. However he certainly deserves that chance and will get it.

Problem is that Alonso is pretty much the complete package, Hamilton will get more canny as will Seb and Kube will be pitted against the strongest F1 fields of all time even if no further drivers emerge at the fore.

Will be an interesting couple of years.

[aLZ9zKsO]

based on results, the best remains.....Schuie.

everyone else will need another five or six years, probably more, to catch up.Now everyone go back to sleep and stop dreaming.

Now as to any driver is or is NOT in a top seat, who is excellent or may have plenty of potential or hidden talent or even recognized talent, the answer is simple:

$+ car>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>talent.

everything else is just speculation

(and the overwhelming majority of the grid could win races in the current red bull in the current grid of cars)

[GotActichwicy]

I think when it's all said and done, Robert Kubica will fit neatly into the "consummate racing professional" category, together with drivers such as Felipe Massa, David Coulthard, Gerhard Berger: drivers that undoubtedly have talent, that are amongst the best in the business for an extended period of time, and that have frequent flashes of speed and brilliance, winning races and usually among the quickest out there, but that ultimately lack that final spark, that final ounce of speed and performance to be champion.

[CHyLmxDr]

Mark Hughes has been banging on about Kubica for a while now to the point that I find tiresome and off putting even though I rate Kubica.

The biggest problem RK has to face is finding the right team and hoping they give him a top car because his other mates are in better teams.

[niemamczasu]

What's interesting about Kubica is how he has got the Renault team focussed on him. It's hard to fill the space left by a star like Alonso, just look at what happened at Renault in 2007. Kubica has obviously impressed the team, and they feel they can win with him if they give him the car.

The wheel falling off was a big mess, though, and it's up to the driver to lead a team out of a mistake like that, and make sure it never happens again, on HIS car at least. (Didn't something similar happen to Alonso in Hungary once with Renault?)

So he's shown he has the speed and commitment to the team, but Kubica needs something more, something that will make his team sure that if they're not perfect then another team will take him on.

I reckon he'd be great at Red Bull after Webber retires, to keep Vettel on his toes...

[GotActichwicy]

I reckon he'd be great at Red Bull after Webber retires, to keep Vettel on his toes...

That is if Vettel actually STAYS at RedBull. He may well be lured away by another of the big-3 teams. I think it's safe to say that all of them (McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes) have an interest in signing him up away from RedBull. This is another reason I am convinced RedBull needs to start developing their next star quickly to fill a possible void left by Vettel's departure and Webber's retirement. They need to kick out at least one of their ToroRosso drivers, and put Ricciardo in there... with Vergne to follow ASAP. By now it's pretty clear that neither Buemi nor Algaeboy will be the next Vettel, so it's time to move on.

[RichardHaads]

of cause cheat lie and steal is going to be better then Kubinski

Did you mean to say of course?

[mpzoFeJs]

Often something special can be felt about Kubica's driving. He seems to have it all. Not just very fast, but also in terms of personality he leaves an impression of traits as ultimate commitment, mindset and mental strength. For some reason I don't see him choking in the way Hamilton or Vettel have been doing, even in a top car battling for WDC. Probably it would be a stretch to say that he is the best, but I don't see a reason, why he shouldn't be considered to be among the best.

Until a driver is put to the pressure of fighting for the WDC it is quite pointless to speculate how good they are. Fisichella was thought to be a great driver, but in the end was just soild. I think that with Heidfeld the case is similar.

The difference is that Fisichella was always inconsistent and prone to choking under pressure, even if he was impressing in midfield teams. I don't see any such weaknesses in Kubica's application to racing. They are all different cases, also Heidfeld is not similar to Fisichella - one is consistent and doesn't make mistakes, the other is the opposite of it, but perhaps with more spectacular heights than what Heidi has had.

I was going to vote for Trulli. It's hard to believe that a driver could be so average for so many years and still find someone to pay him to sit in their car and piddle around the track. That's a skilled driver.

Hard to believe? Gascoyne has said that Trulli is the fastest driver he has ever worked with.

[vosteglog]

Did you mean to say of course?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cause
cause
1. a. The producer of an effect, result, or consequence.
b. The one, such as a person, event, or condition, that is responsible for an action or result.

2. A basis for an action or response; a reason: The doctor's report gave no cause for alarm.
3. A goal or principle served with dedication and zeal: "the cause of freedom versus tyranny" (Hannah Arendt).
4. The interests of a person or group engaged in a struggle: "The cause of America is in great measure the cause of all mankind" (Thomas Paine).
5. Law a. A ground for legal action.
b. A lawsuit.

6. A subject under debate or discussion.
tr.v. caused, caus·ing, caus·es 1. To be the cause of or reason for; result in.
2. To bring about or compel by authority or force: The moderator invoked a rule causing the debate to be ended.

[CHyLmxDr]

What's interesting about Kubica is how he has got the Renault team focussed on him. It's hard to fill the space left by a star like Alonso, just look at what happened at Renault in 2007. Kubica has obviously impressed the team, and they feel they can win with him if they give him the car.

He was simply stunning in 2008. You have to remember that he was entirely unhappy with BMW dropping the ball after winning in Canada and helping Heidfeld to get the best out of the car and RK felt the team should have concentrated more on him and his WDC aspirations.

[RichardHaads]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cause
cause
1. a. The producer of an effect, result, or consequence.
b. The one, such as a person, event, or condition, that is responsible for an action or result.

2. A basis for an action or response; a reason: The doctor's report gave no cause for alarm.
3. A goal or principle served with dedication and zeal: "the cause of freedom versus tyranny" (Hannah Arendt).
4. The interests of a person or group engaged in a struggle: "The cause of America is in great measure the cause of all mankind" (Thomas Paine).
5. Law a. A ground for legal action.
b. A lawsuit.

6. A subject under debate or discussion.
tr.v. caused, caus·ing, caus·es 1. To be the cause of or reason for; result in.
2. To bring about or compel by authority or force: The moderator invoked a rule causing the debate to be ended.

If you meant cause

A correct brief statement would be
Because cheating, lying, and stealing bla bla bla.......

Or more correctly:

That is because a cheat a liar and a thief and etc....

But I understand what you were trying to say, you just used incorrect English, or you misspelled course so badly when you put it through office word it suggested the misspelled word was cause and you clicked on change.

G-day

[truck]

Alonso.
Schumacher.
Kubica.
Hamilton.
Webber.
Button.
Rubens.
Vettel.

There! Argue that if you like, but there's no point as I'm right.