[larentont]

came accross this article earlier and thought it was a decent piece that is pretty hard to find much fault with, i hope Kubica gets a decent car soon - as good as this season has been I can only imagine how much better it might have been if Robert was in a race winning car as well

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9080455.stm

[orillaVar]

Saw a thread like this on Autosport and its refreshing to see so many Mclaren and Ferrari fans agree that the two best drivers on the grid at present are Alonso and Hamilton. Both have proved themselves in inferior and championship winning cars. I would say Vettel and Kubica are on a level but night quite at the level as FA and LH. Interesting read though.

[larentont]

i think at the moment that Kubica is the equal of anyone out there, however he is performing at this level without the pressure of expected race wins and championship contention, it will be interesting to see if he can keep up the intensity in the heat of a championship battle.

its only my opinion but i think he probably will, he has every chance of being in the battle with Hamilton and Vettel for a number of years

[Agitoligflise]

Kubica has been brilliant this year for me. He is the equal of Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso for me. I also think you could throw Webber's name into that ring, for this year at least.

If he gets a chance in a championship-capable car like Lewis, Fernando, Seb and Mark have already had/are currently having, Then I would be very surprised if he didnt become world champion.

The guy is quick, consistent, fair and very level headed. The other guys we consider the 'superstars' dont necessarily have all of those qualities. (yet)

Im a big fan of the article because I agree with its principle. Lets hope Kubi gets a chance to win a world championship one day. He's the sort of guy who I'd expect to take any chance he got.

[orillaVar]

Kubica has been brilliant this year for me.

I agree he's been excellent and outdriven the Renault on many ocassions, but I can't say he's proved himself overall since he came into F1 to be as complete as both Hamilton and Alonso. He's very close as is Sebastian Vettel, but I think we are going to see better from him over the next couple of years. I think if he was in either of the top three teams right now he'd be a real nuissance, which is why it'll be very interesting to see whether Massa will be leaving the Scuderia in the winter. Kubica is a top driver, but apart from a few great drives, he's been outscored twice in his short career by Heidfeld. He may have been unlucky up until now and I think he needs a race win uner his belt to push his stock up in the driver market. His win in Canada was rather lucky and inherited, and it would be nice for him to get a victory of his own making IMO. He certainly deserves it after his performance in Japan.

[WhonyGataxott]

I agree he's been excellent and outdriven the Renault on many ocassions, but I can't say he's proved himself overall since he came into F1 to be as complete as both Hamilton and Alonso. He's very close as is Sebastian Vettel, but I think we are going to see better from him over the next couple of years. I think if he was in either of the top three teams right now he'd be a real nuissance, which is why it'll be very interesting to see whether Massa will be leaving the Scuderia in the winter. Kubica is a top driver, but apart from a few great drives, he's been outscored twice in his short career by Heidfeld. He may have been unlucky up until now and I think he needs a race win uner his belt to push his stock up in the driver market. His win in Canada was rather lucky and inherited, and it would be nice for him to get a victory of his own making IMO. He certainly deserves it after his performance in Japan.

^ what he said. Kubica needs to prove he is as good as some people think he is. For now it is a mix of some very good drives and a lot of hype.

[klnbgqr]

It's difficult to take all the drooling over Kubica seriously, since his performances have almost NO CONTEXT. His teammate is a ROOKIE, folks.

If so, Nick Heidfeld should get some stinking love around here. After all, he was every bit a match for RK in all those years together at Sauber.

[sitescools]

^ what he said. Kubica needs to prove he is as good as some people think he is. For now it is a mix of some very good drives and a lot of hype.

and above all he's friends with Alonso but I agree he should have at least won the wdc this year in the 4-5th best car in f1.

[GotActichwicy]

I would love to see Kubica in a top car, if for nothing else to once and for all put the hype to rest. Alonso as his team mate would hopefully silence most of all that.

I am not an Alonso "fan", but I must acknowledge that he is probably the overall best driver out there, combining pure speed, his control of and ability to elevate and push his own team to new heights, good performances in a variety of different situations, and the ability to close the deal when it really counts.

Hamilton has great speed and is brilliant in most situations, but he does seem to have a bit of a tendency to choke when it counts. If it wasn't for Glock's unlikely DNF at the last moment, he would have ended up choking away 2 WDCs in a row.

[larentont]

At least Kubica has been very consistent this year, something which cannot be said about any of the drivers in contention for the WDC.

[Hokimjers]

I reckon Bunsen is the best driver in F1.

[EasyLOAD]

came accross this article earlier and thought it was a decent piece that is pretty hard to find much fault with, i hope Kubica gets a decent car soon - as good as this season has been I can only imagine how much better it might have been if Robert was in a race winning car as well

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9080455.stm

Mark Hughes is as bad as Peter Windsor. I see a lot of subjectiveness and little fact.

Case in point: The fact that Heidfeld beat Kubica in two of three years they were team-mates is a fact which is conveniently ignored in Hughes' article. I could go on.

Kubica is an excellent driver having a stellar season, no doubt helped by Petrov being rubbish. However, Hughes' article is just an opinion that is not better than anything a member of this forum could post... just my opinion.

[Kamepherype]

I think that the most reliable opinion in the long run is... ME

Quite frankly I don't think Webber has a WDC in him. He's probably as good as Gerhard Berger was or even DC. Webber would make a solid number 2 behind the champion.
I think the only drivers out there who are capable of taking home a title are Rakka, Alonso, Button and maybe even Montoya (notwithstanding MS who is the best driver the world has ever seen).

In a thread about Lewis:

In terms of talent, he's one of the top three drivers currently in Formula One, and possibly I think only one of about 6 drivers out there with the potential to be World Champion (and two have already done so).

Rakka, Alonso, Button, Lewis have all been champions. Personally I still don't think that Webber has the bottle even to win 2010, and will either suffer a retirement or will squander the lead somewhere.
One retirement or 11th position from Webber is enough to blow this pop stand wide open.

Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Vettel, are still the top four drivers in terms of sheer talent.

[RichardHaads]

The Boss, and Fred > Kubinski

[Intiltern]

I was going to vote for Trulli. It's hard to believe that a driver could be so average for so many years and still find someone to pay him to sit in their car and piddle around the track. That's a skilled driver. BUT, I have to switch and vote for Heidfeld. Here's a guy who is at least as average, if not more so, than Trulli and had finally been eased out of Formula 1 only to be whisked back to replace a driver that never should have been in Formula 1 by a team owner that should have known better in both cases. Even more outstanding, after learning he'd lose his seat at the end of the season regardless, he scored some points in only his second race back, trying to build up the old cv.

So the best driver in Formula 1 is Nick Heidfeld, a man who shouldn't be there but is, with points.

[vosteglog]

The Boss, and Fred > Kubinski

of cause cheat lie and steal is going to be better then Kubinski

[RemiVedia]

Best drivers in F1? Look at the points, thats all.. lol.. Not up for debate really.

[orillaVar]

and above all he's friends with Alonso but I agree he should have at least won the wdc this year in the 4-5th best car in f1.

Wow.

[jincomplet]

Case in point: The fact that Heidfeld beat Kubica in two of three years they were team-mates is a fact which is conveniently ignored in Hughes' article. I could go on.

As the resident rabid Kubica fan, I concede Heidfeld did a better job with a poor car in 2009. 2007 was RK's first full season in F1, and was team'd against the experienced NH...and one crash took RK out of both the Canadian AND U.S. Grand Prixs, so I'm not certain 2007 should be considered a valid measuring stick. Furthermore, I also believe that Heidfeld is a FANTASTIC driver as well and has shown remarkable racecraft throughout his career, so RK had a heck of a teammate during his first 3 seasons.

I simply feel that RK has now fully matured and is back in a somewhat decent car. I think that when RK's time comes in a car that can again challenge for WDC he now has the talent to prevail...my opinon of course!

[orillaVar]

I would love to see Kubica in a top car, if for nothing else to once and for all put the hype to rest. Alonso as his team mate would hopefully silence most of all that.

I've seen alot of people saying that Kubica would do well as Alonso's teammate, but I just don't see that as a good move for Kubica's career. Going to a team where at the moment we are told on a daily basis (on forums admittedly) that they only support one driver for the WDC and thats the way it is and always has been, doesn't sound like a great catch for a 25 year old race driver who has potential to succeed at the highest level.

Would Robert go to Ferrari and join his close friend and support him as a solid number two? Would Alonso welcome his friend to Maranello and greet the press with a statement like: "its great to have Robert in the team and I look forward to the challenge of fighting him for the World Championship".. Not likely.I doubt Alonso would accept a teammate on equal terms even if it was a good mate of his.

Kubica's best option as it stands for a top team place is to stay at Renault next year and wait and see if either Red Bull or Mclaren release one of their drivers for 2012. Ferrari would be a stalling block IMO.

Hamilton has great speed and is brilliant in most situations, but he does seem to have a bit of a tendency to choke when it counts. If it wasn't for Glock's unlikely DNF at the last moment, he would have ended up choking away 2 WDCs in a row.

There were quite alot of variable's that year not just the last race and the year before Mclaren screwed up strategy, and the gearbox let Hamilton down at the last event, so I would say he choked under the pressure in that instance. Anyway this isn't about that.