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**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 08:10 AM

It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time.
And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots.
Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it.

**VonErmad4** · 07-26-2010, 08:13 AM

Don't be hypocrite.

**hitaEtela** · 07-26-2010, 08:13 AM

It would help if you'd begin with an explanation of what your rant is all about.

*Goes off to Google News to see for myself*

Edit: Ferrari fined as Alonso denies Massa in Hockenheim controversy

And IMO, this could have easily been placed in one of the existing threads about the shenanigans of this race.

**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 08:26 AM

Don't be hypocrite.

I am asking the same to everyone. We all know everyone does it. McLeren, Red Bull etc. The difference is that the orders are given in sa more subtle way, like: slow down and save gas" or : yiu got a brake mulfuction" and so on.
So, everyone has to bow to the team interests, and I mean everyone no one excluded. Any disagrement to my point is due only by partisanship or hypocrisy.

**nilliraq** · 07-26-2010, 08:28 AM

It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time.
And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots.
Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it.

It's over!!
The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures!

**BJEugene** · 07-26-2010, 09:01 AM

It's over!!
The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures!

Indeed it does, but it will reflect on them in the WMSC hearing. It will also leave a bad taste in the mouths of thoose fans that cheer the ting today.

**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 09:09 AM

It's over!!
The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures!

Pretty much. That engineeer, I dont know who that was, had to say to the whole world, God forbid, that Alonso was faster. How stupid is that? That's their sin. But to see people in here and the FIA with a strait face saying " oh...that's soooooooooooooooo shameful. Team orders don't exist in F1. You Ferrari people are really horrible people and you deserve a harsh punishment. That's including Dorner, the Red Bull big boss. Hearing him critizing Ferrari for this episod is extremely rich. Vettel is smart. He stays out of it. But Dorner???? what an idiot.
And do you know what's really sickening me? The farse that in this forum and in others I am sure as well, takes place in here pretending that this issue was never, EVER, discussed before and the same arguments made a billion times before are going to be made now at the expense of honesty, aknowledging the nature of the sport and how many teams do it regularly. I'll tell what is worse: passing the SC whil an accident is taking place. That's what I consider really shamefull.

**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 09:12 AM

Indeed it does, but it will reflect on them in the WMSC hearing. It will also leave a bad taste in the mouths of thoose fans that cheer the ting today.

If I were to be one of those fans you refer to, I would have been saying a very logical thing: why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by? And seeing Alonso passing him it was the logical thing to see. I actually wonder what the fans are thinking after seeing Ferrari being punished over something that's, again, the logical thing to see happening.

**BJEugene** · 07-26-2010, 09:16 AM

Theres not enough fearri fans this time

**BJEugene** · 07-26-2010, 09:19 AM

If I were to be one of those fans you refer to, I would have been saying a very logical thing: why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by? And seeing Alonso passing him it was the logical thing to see. I actually wonder what the fans are thinking after seeing Ferrari being punished over something that's, again, the logical thing to see happening.

Overtaking, has alonso forget the sill hes on par wit rubens.

**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 09:25 AM

Overtaking, has alonso forget the sill hes on par wit rubens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rqxkbKPOU

**i6mbwwdh** · 07-26-2010, 12:02 PM

It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time.
And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots.
Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it.

The Fact the McLaren is even allowed to participate in any FIA sanctioned event is proof enough that the FIA treats Ferrari worse than other teams.

**grofvuri** · 07-26-2010, 12:28 PM

The Fact the McLaren is even allowed to participate in any FIA sanctioned event is proof enough that the FIA treats Ferrari worse than other teams.

My feeling is that's pay back after what happened in Valencia and Alonso and Ferrari accusing the stewards for not being.............."competent" enough.

**TCjwwhcY** · 07-26-2010, 01:05 PM

Don't be hypocrite.

These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team !

**soipguibbom** · 07-26-2010, 02:34 PM

These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team !

Yeah. It looks like FA is the new MS for all the bashers who haven't had a target in the past few years.

**investmentonlinev2006x** · 07-26-2010, 02:42 PM

It's over!!
The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures!

finally someone gets it

good taz

**investmentonlinev2006x** · 07-26-2010, 02:44 PM

These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team !

VIVA Ferrari

Bring back Imola

**VonErmad4** · 07-27-2010, 02:13 AM

That engineeer, I dont know who that was, had to say to the whole world, God forbid, that Alonso was faster. How stupid is that?

It wasn't stupid at all, it was a very intelligent slap in Domenicali's face, and he deserves it 100 times at least for how crappy a team principal he is.

**VonErmad4** · 07-27-2010, 02:15 AM

why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by?

Because he is a race driver. It never occurred to you that F1 is about racing and not watching Alonso having a walk in the park?!

I am starting to be surprised by the logic of some Ferrari fans.

**VonErmad4** · 07-27-2010, 02:16 AM

These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team !

You have no ground to judge my dignity nor to take cheap shots at me, please keep at moderating the forum.
IMO, giving up, after 20 years, on blindly supporting a mass of idiots that call themselves the Ferrari F1 team saved me some integrity. You might understand one day too.

07-26-2010, 08:10 AM	#1
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	Fia Vs Ferrari It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time. And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots. Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 08:13 AM	#2
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Don't be hypocrite. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 08:13 AM	#3
hitaEtela Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 536 Senior Member	It would help if you'd begin with an explanation of what your rant is all about. Goes off to Google News to see for myself Edit: Ferrari fined as Alonso denies Massa in Hockenheim controversy And IMO, this could have easily been placed in one of the existing threads about the shenanigans of this race. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 08:26 AM	#4
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	Don't be hypocrite. I am asking the same to everyone. We all know everyone does it. McLeren, Red Bull etc. The difference is that the orders are given in sa more subtle way, like: slow down and save gas" or : yiu got a brake mulfuction" and so on. So, everyone has to bow to the team interests, and I mean everyone no one excluded. Any disagrement to my point is due only by partisanship or hypocrisy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 08:28 AM	#5
nilliraq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time. And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots. Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it. It's over!! The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:01 AM	#6
BJEugene Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	It's over!! The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures! Indeed it does, but it will reflect on them in the WMSC hearing. It will also leave a bad taste in the mouths of thoose fans that cheer the ting today. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:09 AM	#7
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	It's over!! The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures! Pretty much. That engineeer, I dont know who that was, had to say to the whole world, God forbid, that Alonso was faster. How stupid is that? That's their sin. But to see people in here and the FIA with a strait face saying " oh...that's soooooooooooooooo shameful. Team orders don't exist in F1. You Ferrari people are really horrible people and you deserve a harsh punishment. That's including Dorner, the Red Bull big boss. Hearing him critizing Ferrari for this episod is extremely rich. Vettel is smart. He stays out of it. But Dorner???? what an idiot. And do you know what's really sickening me? The farse that in this forum and in others I am sure as well, takes place in here pretending that this issue was never, EVER, discussed before and the same arguments made a billion times before are going to be made now at the expense of honesty, aknowledging the nature of the sport and how many teams do it regularly. I'll tell what is worse: passing the SC whil an accident is taking place. That's what I consider really shamefull. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:12 AM	#8
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	Indeed it does, but it will reflect on them in the WMSC hearing. It will also leave a bad taste in the mouths of thoose fans that cheer the ting today. If I were to be one of those fans you refer to, I would have been saying a very logical thing: why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by? And seeing Alonso passing him it was the logical thing to see. I actually wonder what the fans are thinking after seeing Ferrari being punished over something that's, again, the logical thing to see happening. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:16 AM	#9
BJEugene Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	Theres not enough fearri fans this time Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:19 AM	#10
BJEugene Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	If I were to be one of those fans you refer to, I would have been saying a very logical thing: why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by? And seeing Alonso passing him it was the logical thing to see. I actually wonder what the fans are thinking after seeing Ferrari being punished over something that's, again, the logical thing to see happening. Overtaking, has alonso forget the sill hes on par wit rubens. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 09:25 AM	#11
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	Overtaking, has alonso forget the sill hes on par wit rubens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3rqxkbKPOU Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 12:02 PM	#12
i6mbwwdh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	It seems clear now that the FIA comes down really hard on Ferrari every time they have a chance. And it does that without wasting any time. And all this is happenig at a time where Ferrari has been very carefull in following rules amd interpreting them in a very conservative way, so conservative that some people were saying that's what's causing Ferrari to copy what the other teams evolutions are afraid as they are to break, even involunterely the rules. However, despite the team's cautious approach it seems that the FIA comes down as hard as they can to keep the red team under their boots. Last year, to mention a quick example, McLaren asked Lewis team mate to let him pass and after it occured nobody made a big deal out of it. So i guess those of you who were insinuating that Todt would be using his position to further help Ferrari in the championship are having second thoughts about it. The Fact the McLaren is even allowed to participate in any FIA sanctioned event is proof enough that the FIA treats Ferrari worse than other teams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 12:28 PM	#13
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	The Fact the McLaren is even allowed to participate in any FIA sanctioned event is proof enough that the FIA treats Ferrari worse than other teams. My feeling is that's pay back after what happened in Valencia and Alonso and Ferrari accusing the stewards for not being.............."competent" enough. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 01:05 PM	#14
TCjwwhcY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	Don't be hypocrite. These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team ! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 02:34 PM	#15
soipguibbom Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 542 Senior Member	These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team ! Yeah. It looks like FA is the new MS for all the bashers who haven't had a target in the past few years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 02:42 PM	#16
investmentonlinev2006x Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 675 Senior Member	It's over!! The only thing Ferrari are guilty of is not being slick, or subtle enough when they did it. They deserve a fine for that! Fred is their only chance they have to get back into the wdc hunt. I'm glad they did it. Desparate times require desparate measures! finally someone gets it good taz Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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investmentonlinev2006x Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 675 Senior Member	These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team ! VIVA Ferrari Bring back Imola Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2010, 02:13 AM	#18
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	That engineeer, I dont know who that was, had to say to the whole world, God forbid, that Alonso was faster. How stupid is that? It wasn't stupid at all, it was a very intelligent slap in Domenicali's face, and he deserves it 100 times at least for how crappy a team principal he is. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2010, 02:15 AM	#19
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	why would not Massa let his faster team mate get by? Because he is a race driver. It never occurred to you that F1 is about racing and not watching Alonso having a walk in the park?! I am starting to be surprised by the logic of some Ferrari fans. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-27-2010, 02:16 AM	#20
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	These are the kind of threads you would've started if MS was involved driving a Ferrari, so at least have the dignity to respect those fans who have not turned their back to their beloved Team ! You have no ground to judge my dignity nor to take cheap shots at me, please keep at moderating the forum. IMO, giving up, after 20 years, on blindly supporting a mass of idiots that call themselves the Ferrari F1 team saved me some integrity. You might understand one day too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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