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Old 04-02-2010, 01:15 PM   #1
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Default KERS for 2011? The teams have a chat...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82593

I wish this issue would be buried. I was never a fan of KERS, but I understand that other forum-goers believe that KERS is a technical innovation that should be pushed to its limits. I on the other hand believe that it's another gimmick that's only going to push F1 in the wrong direction.

Give me your thoughts!
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Old 04-02-2010, 01:51 PM   #2
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Unnecessary techno gadget that just drives budgets up. If it's mandatory, what's the use, because the advantage would be equalized amongst all teams - one presses the button to pass, the other to defend. If some teams don't have it, it creates a two-tier system of competition, which I am even more against. The fewer techno gadgets, the better.
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Old 04-02-2010, 02:11 PM   #3
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82593

I wish this issue would be buried. I was never a fan of KERS, but I understand that other forum-goers believe that KERS is a technical innovation that should be pushed to its limits. I on the other hand believe that it's another gimmick that's only going to push F1 in the wrong direction.

Give me your thoughts!
I think that KERS might be something useful for buses which have to stop frequently; but apart from the pinnacle argument, (which can include a zillion other innovations) I see that it's one helluva way to spend more money.
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Old 04-02-2010, 05:01 PM   #4
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i like kers. in today's era of F1 it would improve overtaking. Perhpas a more powerful kers this time around also.
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Old 04-02-2010, 05:58 PM   #5
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If we get the 18" rear tires too then I am all for it...
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Old 04-02-2010, 06:56 PM   #6
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KERS ought to come back only if it is mandatory on all cars. Otherwise it would distract overtaking opportunities even more! What's the point of racing, when a KERS-car easily breezes past a non-KERS car at the start and subsequently holds him up all race with the latter having no chance of making an impact?! That's pointless and a killer of racing. But we saw plenty of such occasions last year.
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Old 04-02-2010, 07:33 PM   #7
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Bolting it onto a current F1 car is a bit of a gimmick, and all cars having it does make it seem a little pointless, and rather misses the actual reason why cars can't overtake - the dirty air.

Having said that, integrating KERS into a new engine spec somewhere down the line is a good idea, but that won't happen for a few years yet.

I like the sound of the big wheels though..
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Old 04-02-2010, 07:47 PM   #8
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I think they made a mistake not to use it this year, I mean last year it did create possibilities for overtaking, Räikkönen flying past Fisi at Spa was a good example of that. Of course if everybody has it, it'll even things up but it could make a small difference and the concept of energy recovery would improve F1's image as well.
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Old 04-02-2010, 07:47 PM   #9
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I hope we don't see KERS return. If every team has it then it just cancels itself out. Driver A uses KERS to overtake, driver B uses KERS to defend.

It's the same as the suggestion made by Ant & Crofty this morning about introducing driver adjustable front & rear wings.

Both ideas are simply tweaks which don't address the real issue.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:53 PM   #10
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If they bring it back, they NEED to free up the specs - no "X seconds/Y kJ per lap", all the energy they can harvest should be available or there's no point to it.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:11 AM   #11
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Everything that adds to the technical side of F1 is welcome especially KERS given that the idiots limited the engine's revs.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:11 AM   #12
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If they bring it back, they NEED to free up the specs - no "X seconds/Y kJ per lap", all the energy they can harvest should be available or there's no point to it.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:17 AM   #13
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If they bring it back, they NEED to free up the specs - no "X seconds/Y kJ per lap", all the energy they can harvest should be available or there's no point to it.
Not gonna happen.

That's one of many reasons why I don't want to see KERS in F1.
Just another standardized piece of equipment that would water down the sport.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:46 AM   #14
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If they bring it back, they NEED to free up the specs - no "X seconds/Y kJ per lap", all the energy they can harvest should be available or there's no point to it.
I'd like to see more KERS (more power) than they had last year, even if the time limit stayed the same.

Not gonna happen.

That's one of many reasons why I don't want to see KERS in F1.
Just another standardized piece of equipment that would water down the sport.
How does "green" technology water down the sport? KERS is pretty advanced stuff and even if it was standardised, it would still be hi-tech, which is what F1 is all about.
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Old 04-03-2010, 01:38 AM   #15
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I think they made a mistake not to use it this year, I mean last year it did create possibilities for overtaking, Räikkönen flying past Fisi at Spa was a good example of that. Of course if everybody has it, it'll even things up but it could make a small difference and the concept of energy recovery would improve F1's image as well.
Overtaking should be an art, not "flying past another driver", especially if the latter has no chance to respond.

I think KERS, which adds 0,3 secs per lap might not work that well if everyone has it, but if it is simply given let's say a total of 60-second boost for the whole race (like it was the case in ChampCar), we could see more overtaking.

Oh and if they are going to bring KERS back, it should certainly be a standard system developed by an outsourced company. Teams have surely had already enough of wasting resources on it.
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Old 04-03-2010, 02:59 AM   #16
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Overtaking should be an art, not "flying past another driver"
You sir, have hit the nail on the head. By implementing KERS, you are using technology to correct a fundamental problem with sport - overtaking - when in reality, it's the aero regs that need to be changed in order to produce overtaking. They're not aiming any of their "solutions" at the aerodynamics.

KERS is pretty advanced stuff and even if it was standardised, it would still be hi-tech, which is what F1 is all about.
Is it though? As far as I'm concerned, with KERS, the FIA are trying to get the best of both worlds i.e. move the technical level of the sport to newer heights while also improving the spectacle. In my opinion, they should focus simply on giving drivers an equal opportunity to race against each other and not to be compromised by running close behind a rival. The team bosses, technical directors and other team personnel have enough intelligence to come up with new ideas all the time and move the sport along technically by default, as it has always been throughout the decades.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:35 AM   #17
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I hope we don't see KERS return. If every team has it then it just cancels itself out. Driver A uses KERS to overtake, driver B uses KERS to defend.

It's the same as the suggestion made by Ant & Crofty this morning about introducing driver adjustable front & rear wings.

Both ideas are simply tweaks which don't address the real issue.
I think the reintroduction of kers if done with all cars will not cancel things out. each driver will choose where and when to apply kers and how aggressive they can be over a lap therefore making it quite possible that some will use it to defend a position while others will use it more effectively to pass. I can see a car with better straight line speed not using kers on the main straight, while the poorer car in front of him does. then on the tighter sections and good exit locations, that car would use the extra burst to gain the necessary advantage to set up a proper pass.

If your car is faster anyway, then kers simply makes it easier to pass. If your car is slower then kers gives you an opportunity to defend your position and perhaps shakeup the order. Both are exciting prospects to a race IMO.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:52 AM   #18
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Overtaking should be an art, not "flying past another driver", especially if the latter has no chance to respond.

I think KERS, which adds 0,3 secs per lap might not work that well if everyone has it, but if it is simply given let's say a total of 60-second boost for the whole race (like it was the case in ChampCar), we could see more overtaking.

Oh and if they are going to bring KERS back, it should certainly be a standard system developed by an outsourced company. Teams have surely had already enough of wasting resources on it.
We don't want no Champcar crap in F1.

Overtaking should be an art? You're killing me!
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:31 AM   #19
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Overtaking should be an art? You're killing me!
I don't see what's so funny here. A driver can display skill and expression through overtaking maneuvers. It's not an art on parallel with painting, music or dancing obviously, but it should still require a full input from the driver's ability and not be a maneuver that is spoon-fed through KERS or the like.
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:33 AM   #20
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Overtaking should be an art? You're killing me!
Sarcasm at the current lack in F1 or you dont you consider overtaking as a racing skill?

I say he's spot on, Kers might sound green and high-tech but in reality has proved to be just a gimmick. As has been said.. Aero is where we should be looking to address the overtaking problem.
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