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**Xavier_Spinner_Wheels** · 03-04-2010, 04:53 PM

Red Bull's Christian Horner thinks it'll be confirmed as legal.

It sounds like a faint echo of last year, when Ferrari and Red Bull failed to spot a loophole and threw their toys out of the pram because some of their rivals were doing a better job.

**Xavier_Spinner_Wheels** · 03-04-2010, 06:48 PM

Now that McLaren have spoken, it looks more like a storm in a teacup than anything else:

A spokesman for the Woking-based team said: "We're very confident that our car is entirely legal - and we're not aware of any protest. In fact, we've spoken to Ferrari this morning and they're not aware of any protest either."

Ferrari sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the team has no intention of taking the matter further, and have ruled out the possibility of it lodging a protest. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836

Phew. Crisis averted, hey?

**arindiruppya** · 03-04-2010, 07:04 PM

The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed..

**irrelaAnnekly** · 03-04-2010, 07:12 PM

The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed..

Or Ferrari already looking for excuses for Alonso not winning every race.

**N9u9ie4p** · 03-04-2010, 07:16 PM

Wait 'til everyone studies the diffusers - Gary Anderson reckons it will raise temperatures.

Why were Mclaren leaping around smiling when Jenson did the 1.18 and a bit at Jerez? Grandstanding? :-]

Should Ferrari be worried given that their car really is different from both Mclaren and Red Bull - the two most radical cars this season?

Is Max correct when he said a few days back that Ferrari is like an old woman now jealous of the fresh pretty young things - the Scuderia DOES give off a staid mothballs image these days don' it'? :-]

**Accecyncphory** · 03-04-2010, 08:04 PM

Or Ferrari already looking for excuses for Alonso not winning every race.

You are kind of stuck there aren't you buddy? What does this have to do with Alonso? And why can't a team question the legality of wing?

**Vapepreab** · 03-04-2010, 08:57 PM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81832

Explains the sensor scaffold on the back of the Mac.

It's not a hard thing to copy, so probably just Ferrari checking its worth their while expending wind tunnel time on it rather than a claim of illegality.

Ferrari sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the team has no intention of taking the matter further, and have ruled out the possibility of it lodging a protest.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836

Tea cup and storm springs to mind.

**Info-phone** · 03-04-2010, 09:03 PM

And why can't a team question the legality of wing?

No reason at all. It's common practice for teams to seek clarifications and raise any issues of legality, and it's the FIA's role to provide rulings.

**Vapepreab** · 03-04-2010, 09:29 PM

No reason at all. It's common practice for teams to seek clarifications and raise any issues of legality, and it's the FIA's role to provide rulings.

The 'usual' process is to seek clarification on a design idea for your own car direct with the FIA, usually the interface for this is the uber clear Charlie 'integrity' Whiting. You can take anything he says, ANYTHING, at face value, because his word is his bond......

Another team will come along, see that they've missed a trick, and try to get it banned by seeking re-clarification.

It's worked in the past with tyres and Mass Dampers.

**Vapepreab** · 03-04-2010, 09:34 PM

The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed..

If only Ron was here to witness the McLaren boys using Tetley instead of PG Tips, he'd go ape............

Press would have a field day.

And that really would be a tea cup originated storm.

Ba dum, tish.

**Beriilosal** · 03-04-2010, 10:08 PM

The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed..

Its Autosport up to their usual tricks.

One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism

**irrelaAnnekly** · 03-04-2010, 10:08 PM

You are kind of stuck there aren't you buddy? What does this have to do with Alonso? And why can't a team question the legality of wing?

Well if they spend a zillion dollars to get a driver and things are not perfectly rosy, it's good to have an explanation ready, a rear wing or a diffuser for example. But obviously I wrote it with a pinch of salt so...

**arindiruppya** · 03-04-2010, 10:11 PM

Its Autosport up to their usual tricks.

One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism

Indeed and thats like most F1 sites on the internet of late. Autosport still seem lightyears ahead of sites like PlanetF1, Pitpass, crash.net, and The Daily Mail however..

**Beriilosal** · 03-04-2010, 10:18 PM

Indeed and thats like most F1 sites on the internet of late. Autosport still seem lightyears ahead of sites like PlanetF1, Pitpass, crash.net, and The Daily Mail however..

indeed

**Talicoabilk** · 03-05-2010, 04:11 AM

Red Bull are saying Ferrari are getting worked up over it and they themselves are only mildly interested. McLaren are saying Ferrari are good with it and it's Red Bull who are getting antsy.

Ferrari? They don't seem to care. You gotta love slow news days in F1.

**leyliana** · 03-05-2010, 04:28 AM

Its Autosport up to their usual tricks.

One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism

The story was broke by the Telegraph and Autosport was like the sixth publication that published it. And they were the first ones to ask McLaren and Ferrari about it.

**Adiamant** · 03-05-2010, 04:31 AM

The car will be up for scrutening before the quali in Barain.

It´s of no importance before the race starts.

Testing you know.

But MacLaren could be up for a suprise.

**DJElizardo** · 03-05-2010, 05:11 AM

i am sure i have seen photos of rebull or toro rosso car with the shark thin attached to the rear wing

**BariGrootrego** · 03-05-2010, 05:00 PM

The real race doesn't yet start off, I'd rather agree instead of legal claim, while it's not a hard thing to copy, Ferrari just can create the same development and make sure that it perfectly supports their whole aerodynamic system.

**Info-phone** · 03-05-2010, 07:10 PM

"We have no concerns with it, but we have been invited by the team to view the car so Charlie is going down to have a look," an FIA spokesperson told the Daily Telegraph.

"The wing is different and innovative, yes," Whitmarsh said. "But we have been in contact with Charlie over a period of several months to check that it complies with regulations. We have been assured that it does." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81858

03-04-2010, 04:53 PM	#1
Xavier_Spinner_Wheels Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 656 Senior Member	Ferrari seek clarification on Mclaren Wing Red Bull's Christian Horner thinks it'll be confirmed as legal. It sounds like a faint echo of last year, when Ferrari and Red Bull failed to spot a loophole and threw their toys out of the pram because some of their rivals were doing a better job. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 06:48 PM	#2
Xavier_Spinner_Wheels Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 656 Senior Member	Now that McLaren have spoken, it looks more like a storm in a teacup than anything else: A spokesman for the Woking-based team said: "We're very confident that our car is entirely legal - and we're not aware of any protest. In fact, we've spoken to Ferrari this morning and they're not aware of any protest either." Ferrari sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the team has no intention of taking the matter further, and have ruled out the possibility of it lodging a protest. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836 Phew. Crisis averted, hey? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 07:04 PM	#3
arindiruppya Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 576 Senior Member	The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 07:12 PM	#4
irrelaAnnekly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed.. Or Ferrari already looking for excuses for Alonso not winning every race. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 07:16 PM	#5
N9u9ie4p Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	Wait 'til everyone studies the diffusers - Gary Anderson reckons it will raise temperatures. Why were Mclaren leaping around smiling when Jenson did the 1.18 and a bit at Jerez? Grandstanding? :-] Should Ferrari be worried given that their car really is different from both Mclaren and Red Bull - the two most radical cars this season? Is Max correct when he said a few days back that Ferrari is like an old woman now jealous of the fresh pretty young things - the Scuderia DOES give off a staid mothballs image these days don' it'? :-] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 08:04 PM	#6
Accecyncphory Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 615 Senior Member	Or Ferrari already looking for excuses for Alonso not winning every race. You are kind of stuck there aren't you buddy? What does this have to do with Alonso? And why can't a team question the legality of wing? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 08:57 PM	#7
Vapepreab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81832 Explains the sensor scaffold on the back of the Mac. It's not a hard thing to copy, so probably just Ferrari checking its worth their while expending wind tunnel time on it rather than a claim of illegality. Ferrari sources have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that the team has no intention of taking the matter further, and have ruled out the possibility of it lodging a protest. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81836 Tea cup and storm springs to mind. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 09:03 PM	#8
Info-phone Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 465 Senior Member	And why can't a team question the legality of wing? No reason at all. It's common practice for teams to seek clarifications and raise any issues of legality, and it's the FIA's role to provide rulings. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 09:29 PM	#9
Vapepreab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	No reason at all. It's common practice for teams to seek clarifications and raise any issues of legality, and it's the FIA's role to provide rulings. The 'usual' process is to seek clarification on a design idea for your own car direct with the FIA, usually the interface for this is the uber clear Charlie 'integrity' Whiting. You can take anything he says, ANYTHING, at face value, because his word is his bond...... Another team will come along, see that they've missed a trick, and try to get it banned by seeking re-clarification. It's worked in the past with tyres and Mass Dampers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 09:34 PM	#10
Vapepreab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed.. If only Ron was here to witness the McLaren boys using Tetley instead of PG Tips, he'd go ape............ Press would have a field day. And that really would be a tea cup originated storm. Ba dum, tish. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 10:08 PM	#11
Beriilosal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	The media seem abit twitchy and over zealous in search of a bit of controversy.. Storm in a tea cup indeed.. Its Autosport up to their usual tricks. One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 10:11 PM	#13
arindiruppya Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 576 Senior Member	Its Autosport up to their usual tricks. One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism Indeed and thats like most F1 sites on the internet of late. Autosport still seem lightyears ahead of sites like PlanetF1, Pitpass, crash.net, and The Daily Mail however.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-04-2010, 10:18 PM	#14
Beriilosal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Indeed and thats like most F1 sites on the internet of late. Autosport still seem lightyears ahead of sites like PlanetF1, Pitpass, crash.net, and The Daily Mail however.. indeed Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2010, 04:11 AM	#15
Talicoabilk Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Red Bull are saying Ferrari are getting worked up over it and they themselves are only mildly interested. McLaren are saying Ferrari are good with it and it's Red Bull who are getting antsy. Ferrari? They don't seem to care. You gotta love slow news days in F1. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2010, 04:28 AM	#16
leyliana Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Its Autosport up to their usual tricks. One reason why I view their site with a bit of cynicism The story was broke by the Telegraph and Autosport was like the sixth publication that published it. And they were the first ones to ask McLaren and Ferrari about it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2010, 04:31 AM	#17
Adiamant Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	The car will be up for scrutening before the quali in Barain. It´s of no importance before the race starts. Testing you know. But MacLaren could be up for a suprise. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2010, 05:11 AM	#18
DJElizardo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	i am sure i have seen photos of rebull or toro rosso car with the shark thin attached to the rear wing Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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BariGrootrego Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	The real race doesn't yet start off, I'd rather agree instead of legal claim, while it's not a hard thing to copy, Ferrari just can create the same development and make sure that it perfectly supports their whole aerodynamic system. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-05-2010, 07:10 PM	#20
Info-phone Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 465 Senior Member	"We have no concerns with it, but we have been invited by the team to view the car so Charlie is going down to have a look," an FIA spokesperson told the Daily Telegraph. "The wing is different and innovative, yes," Whitmarsh said. "But we have been in contact with Charlie over a period of several months to check that it complies with regulations. We have been assured that it does." http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81858 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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