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Old 03-05-2010, 07:20 PM   #21
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If Charlie has been advising, then that is kind of worrying.
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:37 PM   #22
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Ask Charlie? I'd rather toss a coin.
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:38 PM   #23
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How? It's a phrase....offering advice on the legality of a part as the FIA's rep. You're trying too hard to find controversy when there's none. It's no different to talking to a lawyer about the legality of soemthing your company is doing.
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:59 PM   #24
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How? It's a phrase....offering advice on the legality of a part as the FIA's rep. You're trying too hard to find controversy when there's none. It's no different to talking to a lawyer about the legality of soemthing your company is doing.
We're suggesting that Charlie's opinion has recently proved worthless and can be over-ruled by the stewards at the race. McLaren are acting sensibly, but sadly Whiting doesn't have the final say.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:49 PM   #25
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Well true...but i'd say that was more a stewarding issue too. I thought that was the idea of Whiting in his current role? To avoid nasty conflicts wherein all of a sudden a legal car at 3 GPs is declared illegal at the next race but a differning interpretation.
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:51 PM   #26
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How? It's a phrase....offering advice on the legality of a part as the FIA's rep. You're trying too hard to find controversy when there's none. It's no different to talking to a lawyer about the legality of soemthing your company is doing.
I was just poking a little fun at Charlie there in a not overly serious manner. He has had a couple of cock ups where Mclaren are concerned over the past two seasons, clarifying their questions only for Mclaren to be penalised at a later hour. I'm sure with his wealth of experience he is more than up to the task of advising in this very sensitive matter.. No controversy sort here from myself.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:03 PM   #27
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Ask Charlie? I'd rather toss a coin.
True
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:32 PM   #28
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Ask Charlie? I'd rather toss a coin.
..but don't ask Charlie to call the result...
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Old 03-06-2010, 12:53 AM   #29
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Ask Charlie? I'd rather toss a coin.
exactly, especially when it comes to mclaren
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:49 PM   #30
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To those who are interested a detailed explanation of the slot-gap:

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/0...-and-stalling/
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Old 03-09-2010, 03:44 AM   #31
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To those who are interested a detailed explanation of the slot-gap:

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/0...-and-stalling/
Thanks for the informative link. It's refreshing to get some accurate details instead of the usual Ferrari bashing!
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:33 PM   #32
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No doubt, during scrutinnering in the Bahrain paddock, Charlie will mosey up to the McLaren, perform a sharp intake of breath and declare,

'yep, that's a rear wing alright'.......
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:22 PM   #33
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Reports from Bahrain say that the wing's been given the ok. Nothing official yet...
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:25 PM   #34
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I've been on the internet and I've found this:
http://en.espnf1.com/bahrain/motorsp...ce=twitterfeed

McLaren's controversial rear wing design has been declared legal by FIA officials in Bahrain.

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Germany's Auto Motor und Sport quoted an FIA official as describing it as a "simple but brilliant trick".
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Old 03-12-2010, 01:50 AM   #35
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It's been cleared: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81990

Expect to see some copies by the next race
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:47 AM   #36
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It's been cleared: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81990

Expect to see some copies by the next race
yep

although I think it will take a bit longer for teams to integrate that design
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Old 03-12-2010, 03:32 AM   #37
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Can't post a link from here but see James Allen's blog, seems the wing is simple but ingenious, the driver's left leg controls airflow through a tube on the engine cover!
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Old 03-12-2010, 03:43 AM   #38
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Can't post a link from here but see James Allen's blog, seems the wing is simple but ingenious, the driver's left leg controls airflow through a tube on the engine cover!
Yeah, I mentioned that on here last week and absolutely nobody commented..
Yeah I don't think teams will simply be able to copy from the off. It'll be a couple of races before they catch up with this one.
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:17 AM   #39
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Cannot be copied at all.
The inlet tube is part of the chassis tub, which requires homologation.
Since teams cannot re-homologate their chassis after the season starts, any copying of this device will be sub-nominal.

It looks like a brilliant masterstroke by Whitmarsh and his boys.
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:19 AM   #40
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http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/

the link Dave couldn't post, plus some other interesting info.

particular interest - McLarens wing, run by a hole in the cockpit, which the drivers can cover with their knee - the other teams cannot copy this as they cannot cut holes in the safety cell once the season has started.

similar is Ferraris whell thingies, which are part of the wheel, made of the same material, and again the other teams cannot copy as the wheels are a homologated items
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