[Coellacag]

Button: Schumacher would not have won without the best car
http://betting.gamingsupermarket.com...t-the-best-car
2009 world Formula 1 champion Jenson Button believes that seven time world champion Michael Schumacher would not have been so successful if he hadn’t driven for Ferrari.

[roundman]

He's suggesting that in F1 you need a good team around you and a good car to drive. Read the whole article, not the single line you've chosen, and you'll see that he includes himself in that:

The former Brawn GP driver and Britain’s tenth formula 1 world champion insists that his victory was down to the team and not himself and said the best drivers cannot win single-handedly. Nothing to see here.

[DrazAdwamoi]

What Dave said.

All Button is saying is that F1 is a team sport, and he's right.

[arindiruppya]

Nothing to see here.

Indeed.
Maybe if we remove certain words we can come up with something like this:

"Jenson Button believes that seven time world champion Michael Schumacher would have been successful if he hadn’t driven for Ferrari." Amazing what you can do with abit of editing..

[Vapepreab]

Or

"Jenson Button believes that Michael Schumacher hadn’t driven for Ferrari."

[DrazAdwamoi]

I find that a good way of cutting through the journalistic BS to get to the real (non) story is to simply read the actual quotes. From this we learn that Button said:

"In Formula One a driver cannot win the championship by himself. Michael [Schumacher] or Fernando [Alonso] wouldn't have won by themselves."

"When I saw the No. 1 on the car I was very excited, I have never led in my career. We will see the most exciting world championship in the history of F1. Alonso is looking quick and will see whether or not Schumi has a point to prove."

Can anyone find anything even remotely contentious in either of those statements?

[legal-advicer]

Jenson is always very polite and humble. What he says is true. F1 is a team sport and Michael knows this himself. Remember his final Japanese GP, when he shook the hands of all his mechanics.

[Theariwinna]

At the end of the day it is the drivers that make the difference - not that he should take all the plaudits as do fully acknowledge the team sport view.

What did Kovy ever achieve at McLaren? He was in a WDC winning car and yet he did sod all bar a gifted first win. Even Kubica easily beat him in 2008.

[arindiruppya]

At the end of the day it is the drivers that make the difference - not that he should take all the plaudits as do fully acknowledge the team sport view.

What did Kovy ever achieve at McLaren? He was in a WDC winning car and yet he did sod all bar a gifted first win. Even Kubica easily beat him in 2008.

I agree with what you are saying but lets not complicate this more than it needs to be in this particular case. The driver is very important, but the moment you remove important people, the equation falls apart. I think Jenson was making a general remark about needing a good team behind you to suceed in winning the championship. For example if you put a bunch of chaps who had never done a pitstop before and asked them to perform in 6 seconds, the best driver in the world would not be able to compensate for poor application IMO. Lets not look into this too literally with the intention of finding fault.

[yasalaioqe]

Where's ioan?
His ban is done (?)
He should be All Over this thread LOL

[Theariwinna]

I agree with what you are saying but lets not complicate this more than it needs to be in this particular case. The driver is very important, but the moment you remove important people, the equation falls apart. I think Jenson was making a general remark about needing a good team behind you to suceed in winning the championship. For example if you put a bunch of chaps who had never done a pitstop before and asked them to perform in 6 seconds, the best driver in the world would not be able to compensate for poor application IMO. Lets not look into this too literally with the intention of finding fault.

Personally I see it as BS from Button. Just because he's WDC he thinks he see's himself with up their with Schumi and/or talk his way out of any percieved criticisms of him.

He only won WDC because he had the best car. He looked average in an inferior Brawn.`

For me, the best out-drive a bad car as well be dominant in the best.

[Vapepreab]

He only won WDC because he had the best car.

Wasn't that what he was saying in the interview?

[legal-advicer]

Wasn't that what he was saying in the interview?

[Theariwinna]

Wasn't that what he was saying in the interview?

Apart from Hungary (arguably lucky win) Button hasn't won when he was best of the rest which, in my eyes, is a barometer of success.

Hamilton, Schumi, Alonso, Senna have shown this. That is one of the reasons they are the very best.

[mpxricyNimb]

I think Jenson was making a general remark about needing a good team behind you to succeed in winning the championship.

I agree, it's just lousy journalism. Button didn't actually say that it was only due to Ferrari that Schumacher won so many titles, he won two with Benetton after all. Schumacher, Brawn, Todt etc were all integral to the team's success.

[mr.videomen]

Where's ioan?
His ban is done (?)
He should be All Over this thread LOL

Yes his ban is done

[Ilaubuas]

Apart from Hungary (arguably lucky win) Button hasn't won when he was best of the rest which, in my eyes, is a barometer of success.

Hamilton, Schumi, Alonso, Senna have shown this. That is one of the reasons they are the very best.

Well Hamilton, Schumacher etc. haven't done that either, apart from the times they did it. You seem to be arguing against yourself there

[arindiruppya]

Personally I see it as BS from Button. Just because he's WDC he thinks he see's himself with up their with Schumi and/or talk his way out of any percieved criticisms of him.

He only won WDC because he had the best car. He looked average in an inferior Brawn.`
For me, the best out-drive a bad car as well be dominant in the best.

I have never heard Button try and compare himself with the likes of who you have mentioned. He certainly doesn't give me that impression in the short sentences quoted in that article. He simply said a driver needs a good team behind him and that Schuey and Alonso could not have won a WDC with a rubbish team in effect. Even Schuey couldn't win a championship in a Minardi and thats not a particularly outlandish statement to make its pure common sense.

I think you are over analysing those quotes to find something that isn't there. Whether he won his WDC in a dominant car is not the issue here, and he's entitled to be proud of his achievement IMO. He is afterall a member of a very elite list of world champions and dominating his teammate for 12 of the 17 races last year counts for something.

[Coellacag]

He's suggesting that in F1 you need a good team around you and a good car to drive. Read the whole article, not the single line you've chosen, and you'll see that he includes himself in that:



Nothing to see here.

"The Pot Calling The Kettle Black" (to say something about someone else which is actually true of you yourself... ) You are the pot calling the kettle black"

[arindiruppya]

"The Pot Calling The Kettle Black" (to say something about someone else which is actually true of you yourself... ) You are the pot calling the kettle black"

I think we know what the phrase means, its just it has little relevance in this instance as Button is not claiming that Schuey and Alonso were in different circumstances to himself. If he was denying that he won in an excellent car then that would be the "pot calling the kettle black".