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Old 08-22-2009, 08:42 AM   #21
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I cant see where it is a questionable choice.

The alternatives would be Ferrari or Mclaren realistically and given that he has an assured funding, Adrian Newey - unlikely that he signed not knowing of Newey is to remain with the team for several more years and, is the de facto team leader, where is the problem?

At Ferrari he would it seems have Alonso and at Mclaren Hamilton.

Vettel has decided well.
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Old 08-22-2009, 04:17 PM   #22
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I agree that he's made the right choice here. While things are harmonious at Red Bull why move?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. As in.... he knows where he is and what he has with RBR so why go running off hoping for a better seat in another team. Last I checked there's no Ferrari drive at the moment so no good dreaming of one.

As for Macca they are still nowhere near proven. Yes it looks good at the moment but for now they have one race this year, which was a tight track, where they had pace and showed form. No gurantees for the next 5 or however many races.

I also agree that F1 cannot work with one man teams in todays modern age. Vettel and Webber bring a healthy rivalry which pushes one another. True that as a one-man-team Jenson is effectively able to acquire more points as Boobs is effectively #2 but I'm not convinced that's healthy for building performance.

It's one thing to talk about Ferrari and Macca and that theyre coming back to the top but how long will it take? F1 just went through a technical revolution.... not evolution. In this instance it's the brains in the paddock that make it happen not cheque books.

Remember, last year Newey was told he was not allowed to develop the double diffuser so this year RBR bolted one on. With a full redevelopment perhaps they can do even more next year.

I think RBR is the right place for now. They should be up there for at least another couple years. Ultimately we might see Kimi move aside for Vettel in a couple years..... but that's a couple years away!
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Old 08-22-2009, 04:37 PM   #23
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China 2009 - best car, RBR 1-2 finish
Make that best drivers as Button isn't a rain driver.
Until Britain the BrawnGP car was the better car on track.

Britain 2009 - best car, RBR 1-2 finish
This I agree.
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Old 08-22-2009, 04:39 PM   #24
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In today's racing world and economy, you simply can't build a team around one guy anymore.
You should tell that to McLaren.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:50 PM   #25
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You should tell that to McLaren.
And renault....
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:10 PM   #26
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And renault....
Right!
How could I forget the Flav team!
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:40 PM   #27
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Well we'd all forget about Flav if we could!!
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:24 PM   #28
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Make that best drivers as Button isn't a rain driver.
Until Britain the BrawnGP car was the better car on track.
Webber passed Button in the high speed turns like a hot knife through butter.

Vettel went off in Malaysia so I guess he isn't a rain driver
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:48 PM   #29
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Webber passed Button in the high speed turns like a hot knife through butter.
As I said Button is no good in the rain, and your example supports that perfectly.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:51 PM   #30
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Unfortunately I have to disagree with Ioan's notion this time. Button has proved to be a very fast wet weather driver throughout his career and in the same Chinese GP he finished ahead of no-one else than team-mate Barrichello, who also has had a reputation of a fast rain driver.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:55 PM   #31
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Unfortunately I have to disagree with Ioan's notion this time. Button has proved to be a very fast wet weather driver throughout his career ...
Any good examples where he did something great in the wet?
I'm trying hard but I can hardly remember anything special from Button even in the dry let alone in wet races.
I fear you are mistaking him with MS or SV.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:04 PM   #32
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Any good examples where he did something great in the wet?
I'm trying hard but I can hardly remember anything special from Button even in the dry let alone in wet races.
I fear you are mistaking him with MS or SV.
Button won Hungary 2006. On that day he was Alonso's nearest rival and rapidly catching him.

Button passed Hamilton in Bahrain, what did Vettel do?

Vettel choked in Turkey by going off on lap 1 in the lead.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:09 PM   #33
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Any good examples where he did something great in the wet?
I'm trying hard but I can hardly remember anything special from Button even in the dry let alone in wet races.
I fear you are mistaking him with MS or SV.
Well, let's start from the beginning.

2000 Germany. Started from 22nd, but rose to 4th by the end in messy conditions.
2003 USA. Was leading the race before his engine blew up.
2005 Belgium. Third. Maybe not gonna say much, but a solid drive.
2007 Japan. Sixth in qualifying.
2007 China. Fifth in the race.

And that 2006 win has already been mentioned here.

Obviously may not have been as spectacular as Vettel or M. Schumacher or even Hamilton for instance, but quite fine nonetheless.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:15 PM   #34
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2003 USA. Was leading the race before his engine blew up.
IIRC, Button was comfortably in the lead in the wet but was overtaken by Schumi as the tracked dried and then his engine blew
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:19 PM   #35
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Button won Hungary 2006. On that day he was Alonso's nearest rival and rapidly catching him.

Button passed Hamilton in Bahrain, what did Vettel do?

Vettel choked in Turkey by going off on lap 1 in the lead.
Should I make a list of how many times button choked in his long career?
You found 3 examples of so so performances to support a guy with 9 years in F1?!

There are more brilliant drives for for 3/4 of teh grid to talk about than what Button managed.

Up to the British GP the BrawnGP car was teh best out there, yet they were beaten in China, fair and square by TWO better drivers.

Let's be honest both Vettel and Webber are at least one level above Button in terms of driving skills in dry conditions and 2 notches above in the wet.

I always supported Button when he went against JV at BAR Honda, but hey I have to acknowledge that he is average at best when everything isn't 100% in his favor, just watch the last few races if you don't believe me and pay attention to his car-pit radio conversations.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:21 PM   #36
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IIRC, Button was comfortably in the lead in the wet but was overtaken by Schumi as the tracked dried and then his engine blew
IIRC Button may still have been in the lead before blow-up, but yes, Schumacher would have passed him sooner or later. Nonetheless his career first podium was clearly on the cards and I remember Button giving an interview after a race, how he couldn't believe to be so unlucky never to achieve a podium in F1. Well, that luck has changed quite a bit by now 6 years later.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:21 PM   #37
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Well, let's start from the beginning.

2000 Germany. Started from 22nd, but rose to 4th by the end in messy conditions.
2003 USA. Was leading the race before his engine blew up.
2005 Belgium. Third. Maybe not gonna say much, but a solid drive.
2007 Japan. Sixth in qualifying.
2007 China. Fifth in the race.

And that 2006 win has already been mentioned here.

Obviously may not have been as spectacular as Vettel or M. Schumacher or even Hamilton for instance, but quite fine nonetheless.
2006 he won because other took each other out.
2003, your memory is wrong.

That leaves us with not even a podium in a real wet race.
Good try but you should admit that it is way to little for a such a long career like Button's.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:36 PM   #38
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Let's be honest both Vettel and Webber are at least one level above Button in terms of driving skills in dry conditions and 2 notches above in the wet.
They're about the same, IMHO. They just have different strengths and weaknesses.
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:05 AM   #39
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77808

Might not be the best move for his future as a F1 driver.
His only option are Mclaren and ferrari and with Ham and Alonso there he has done the absolute best thing for his career
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:18 AM   #40
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I certainly hope so as I think he is worthy of a title in the future, it's just that I'm not convinced about RedBull
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