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Old 04-30-2009, 08:18 PM   #21
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I love how everyone complains of drivers being boring and not stating an opinion, and when one does, they all call him an idiot etc etc.
I certainly agree with you here.

However, while not wishing to call Sutil an idiot, I think these comments are pretty idiotic - unless he has some specific evidence to prove his assertions, of course. This I somehow doubt.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:21 PM   #22
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I certainly agree with you here.

However, while not wishing to call Sutil an idiot, I think these comments are pretty idiotic - unless he has some specific evidence to prove his assertions, of course. This I somehow doubt.
Make up your mind...he's an idiot or not ?
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:29 PM   #23
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Make up your mind...he's an idiot or not ?
To be idiotic is to display the symptoms of an idiot while not actually being an idiot.

Lost in translation again, as usual....

tsk.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:26 PM   #24
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I certainly agree with you here.

However, while not wishing to call Sutil an idiot, I think these comments are pretty idiotic - unless he has some specific evidence to prove his assertions, of course. This I somehow doubt.
It's just his opinion so I don't think that he needs to prove anything. Mind you it's a pretty bold opinion to have
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:39 PM   #25
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Surely there is a significant difference between opinion and drivel? I would love to be a fly on the wall when Sutil has his "please explain" audience with Max and Bernie.

Slightly off topic, when I think of Max Mosley why do I always seem to have images of the nazi chorus line from a Mel Brooks movie flash into my head? Strange days....
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:50 PM   #26
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To be idiotic is to display the symptoms of an idiot while not actually being an idiot.
Precisely. I'm not in the business of calling people idiots without knowing whether they are first, and even that is subjective. Believing that someone's comments are idiotic is a quite different matter.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:23 PM   #27
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I have my own suspicions about why Hamilton has been targeted, but they have nothing to do with his race and are more to do with his race team.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:37 PM   #28
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Someone needs to drug test Sutil !!
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:45 PM   #29
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I have my own suspicions about why Hamilton has been targeted, but they have nothing to do with his race and are more to do with his race team.
Although no-one can deny that what happened happened, and was worthy of some degree of punishment, though exactly what and at what stage are matters for debate.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:50 PM   #30
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Well in life I beleive that there are occasions when for political correctness the whites often come off worse, with 'other races' being treated with kid gloves for fear of being accused of racism.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:06 PM   #31
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Although no-one can deny that what happened happened, and was worthy of some degree of punishment, though exactly what and at what stage are matters for debate.
Well yes. I would say the punishment of Hamilton (in most instances) has been disporportionate, rather than unwarranted.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #32
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Well in life I beleive that there are occasions when for political correctness the whites often come off worse, with 'other races' being treated with kid gloves for fear of being accused of racism.
I feel that political correctness is largely a good thing. The odd instance of over-sensitivity is a small price to pay.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:21 PM   #33
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I feel that political correctness is largely a good thing. The odd instance of over-sensitivity is a small price to pay.
Quite right.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:26 PM   #34
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A rather idiotic and unfounded thing for Sutil to say, I don't see it myself, however I'm not party to paddock talk.
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:03 AM   #35
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Well in life I beleive that there are occasions when for political correctness the whites often come off worse, with 'other races' being treated with kid gloves for fear of being accused of racism.
+1 +1 +1
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:05 AM   #36
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Precisely. I'm not in the business of calling people idiots without knowing whether they are first, and even that is subjective. Believing that someone's comments are idiotic is a quite different matter.
I did put 3 smiles in my post, pitty you guys ignored them...
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:27 AM   #37
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Well in life I beleive that there are occasions when for political correctness the whites often come off worse, with 'other races' being treated with kid gloves for fear of being accused of racism.
Indeed.
I guess if you are black and a racist, it is okay and no one dares to say anything, whereas if you are white and have slip of the tongue, you will forever be a target of moronic liberal swines.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:44 AM   #38
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Whereas I don't think Sutil's suspicions are correct, he is a white driver who is Hamilton's friend, and for him to say that he must have some cause to.

I wouldn't say the FIA really present the picture of being the most tolerant of ethnic minorities, with most of the top brass being older, white men, some with widely publicized right-wing viewpoints.

In the past I have been called a racist for even complaining about something an Asian person has done, despite the fact that three of my best friends are mixed race, black and Indian.

I think we all just need some common sense. For example, if a black guy has a go at a white guy for being an idiot, he is not being racist, he is just pointing out that the white guy is an idiot. It's the same the other way round.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:58 AM   #39
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Whereas I don't think Sutil's suspicions are correct, he is a white driver who is Hamilton's friend, and for him to say that he must have some cause to.

I wouldn't say the FIA really present the picture of being the most tolerant of ethnic minorities, with most of the top brass being older, white men, some with widely publicized right-wing viewpoints.
I'm not sure there is anything to suggest that Max Mosley is actually racist nowadays. Certainly, he was an enthusiastic supporter of his father's cause at one time of his life, but today I hope he is as tolerant of everyone else as he wishes everybody to be about his 'eccentric' private tastes. And, while he may not be FIA 'top brass', and while he may have many other faults, racism surely isn't one of those that afflicts Bernie.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:59 AM   #40
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Indeed.
I guess if you are black and a racist, it is okay and no one dares to say anything, whereas if you are white and have slip of the tongue, you will forever be a target of moronic liberal swines.
It would have to be a bloody big slip of the tongue.
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