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**denwerdinoss** · 04-23-2009, 01:27 AM

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45649

I'm REALLY not sure about that. Full marks to Fernando for being optimistic, but I can't see 'the duck' being a quick enough machine to even get on the podium for a while let alone fight for the championship.

And even if they do score a podium it will be due to either Alonso's brilliance, attrition or an outrageous bit of luck. They are in the same boat as McLaren, BMW and Ferrari: just not good enough at the moment.

**autoloanexpert** · 04-23-2009, 02:25 AM

At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, who have no money to replace their front wing, and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon.

**verybigf** · 04-23-2009, 02:38 AM

The fight in the end will be again between the usual teams and everybody will remember Brawn's magic performances from season reviews....!!You will see it from Spain!

**AnetTeilor** · 04-23-2009, 08:21 AM

Im sure the bricks will improve as the year goes on, but I honestly don't see them contesting the title this year. A couple of wins at the back end of the year maybe.

**UHlVExs7** · 04-23-2009, 11:46 AM

Everybody can make a wish.

**denwerdinoss** · 04-23-2009, 12:08 PM

At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, who have no money to replace their front wing, and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon.

Are Brawn short of money? If they are I'll back Toyota then

**autoloanexpert** · 04-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Toyota? Now way. Remember their 2005 season. At the beginning they looked like Renault's main competitor, but faded quickly. Same will happen again IMO.

**seooptiman** · 04-23-2009, 03:26 PM

Although the Brawns are seen as the quickest at the moment, the Red Bull win shows that this is not going to be a dominant season for one team. I suspect Toyota may be another new winner soon as well

Renault have clearly made progress since the start of the year, along with McLaren, and once these 'fly-away' races are done teams will have more time for more development so I can see why Alonso is optimistic.

It's all shaping up to be a very competitive year

**pouslytut** · 04-23-2009, 03:27 PM

Sounds far-fetched but remember that Renault started 2008 with a dog of a car then went on to be the highest scoring team in the second half of the season - including two wins.

I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude

**UHlVExs7** · 04-23-2009, 04:08 PM

Perhaps skepticism mentality of Kimi was prompted by bad result of Ferrari this season that put him down under pressure.

Such mental stressing is actually acknowledgeable, but I'd suggest him to take everything all the pressure in more moderation state - the action of lessening severity...

**denwerdinoss** · 04-23-2009, 05:09 PM

Sounds far-fetched but remember that Renault started 2008 with a dog of a car then went on to be the highest scoring team in the second half of the season - including two wins.

I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude

Yep. I hadn't thought of it that way. At least he, A) gives a crap, and B) has confidence in his team to make things work.

I always like to see Alonso doing well, but despite his great attitude, I can see three or four podiums maximum for him this year sadly.

**Frodogzzz** · 04-23-2009, 06:52 PM

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45649

I'm REALLY not sure about that. Full marks to Fernando for being optimistic, but I can't see 'the duck' being a quick enough machine to even get on the podium for a while let alone fight for the championship.

And even if they do score a podium it will be due to either Alonso's brilliance, attrition or an outrageous bit of luck. They are in the same boat as McLaren, BMW and Ferrari: just not good enough at the moment.

At least Frodo's optimistic

**fd8IIys2** · 04-24-2009, 03:01 PM

I guess they have something up their sleeve in Renault because this season he sounds more optimistic than usual. We will see but they better start developing soon, because for the second part of the season it might be a little too late.

I hope he's right though.

**RilmAlime67** · 04-24-2009, 03:23 PM

At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, who have no money to replace their front wing, and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon.

Don't worry!! Webbo will give bunsen some Red Bull - Red Bull gives you wings.

**AnetTeilor** · 04-24-2009, 05:22 PM

To be honest, while the Red Bull and Brawn "look" quick, the Renault just doesn't. Having said that, the 1998 Jordan looked all bloated and square as well and started off as a dog but was a race winner by the end of that year, so who knows?

**autoloanexpert** · 04-25-2009, 03:11 AM

To be honest, while the Red Bull and Brawn "look" quick, the Renault just doesn't. Having said that, the 1998 Jordan looked all bloated and square as well and started off as a dog but was a race winner by the end of that year, so who knows?

I dunno. All cars look odd to me this year.

**onelovemp** · 04-25-2009, 05:05 AM

Renault, Mclaren and Ferrari can all easily get in the fight, remember that in 2007 Kimi was about 16-17 points behind Hamilton with two races to go and well over 20 points behind a bit earlier. The Brawns will retire, Rubens will spin, Button will crash and we know that the Red Bulls are not the strongest cars there are. Alonso is being totally realistic.

**giftbestcom** · 04-25-2009, 05:26 PM

I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude

Except Kimi did not say that.

**pouslytut** · 04-25-2009, 06:04 PM

Except Kimi did not say that.

Sorry, you're wrong.

If you have a recording of the BBC coverage from China, FF to around 17m50s and you'll hear the words straight from the horse's mouth.

It's also referenced in this article.

**giftbestcom** · 04-25-2009, 06:09 PM

Sorry, you're wrong.

If you have a recording of the BBC coverage from China, FF to around 17m50s and you'll hear the words straight from the horse's mouth.

It's also referenced in this article.

Of course I dont have a recording.

The quote I read from him was that if they dont improve very soon, then they wont have any chance, as with the current package, they cant fight for the title.

04-23-2009, 01:27 AM	#1
denwerdinoss Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Renault can get in title fight - Alonso http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45649 I'm REALLY not sure about that. Full marks to Fernando for being optimistic, but I can't see 'the duck' being a quick enough machine to even get on the podium for a while let alone fight for the championship. And even if they do score a podium it will be due to either Alonso's brilliance, attrition or an outrageous bit of luck. They are in the same boat as McLaren, BMW and Ferrari: just not good enough at the moment. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 02:25 AM	#2
autoloanexpert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, who have no money to replace their front wing, and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 02:38 AM	#3
verybigf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	The fight in the end will be again between the usual teams and everybody will remember Brawn's magic performances from season reviews....!!You will see it from Spain! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 08:21 AM	#4
AnetTeilor Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	Im sure the bricks will improve as the year goes on, but I honestly don't see them contesting the title this year. A couple of wins at the back end of the year maybe. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 11:46 AM	#5
UHlVExs7 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	Everybody can make a wish. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 12:08 PM	#6
denwerdinoss Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, who have no money to replace their front wing, and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon. Are Brawn short of money? If they are I'll back Toyota then Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 12:50 PM	#7
autoloanexpert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	Toyota? Now way. Remember their 2005 season. At the beginning they looked like Renault's main competitor, but faded quickly. Same will happen again IMO. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 03:26 PM	#8
seooptiman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	Although the Brawns are seen as the quickest at the moment, the Red Bull win shows that this is not going to be a dominant season for one team. I suspect Toyota may be another new winner soon as well Renault have clearly made progress since the start of the year, along with McLaren, and once these 'fly-away' races are done teams will have more time for more development so I can see why Alonso is optimistic. It's all shaping up to be a very competitive year Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 03:27 PM	#9
pouslytut Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 527 Senior Member	Sounds far-fetched but remember that Renault started 2008 with a dog of a car then went on to be the highest scoring team in the second half of the season - including two wins. I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 04:08 PM	#10
UHlVExs7 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	Perhaps skepticism mentality of Kimi was prompted by bad result of Ferrari this season that put him down under pressure. Such mental stressing is actually acknowledgeable, but I'd suggest him to take everything all the pressure in more moderation state - the action of lessening severity... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 05:09 PM	#11
denwerdinoss Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Sounds far-fetched but remember that Renault started 2008 with a dog of a car then went on to be the highest scoring team in the second half of the season - including two wins. I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude Yep. I hadn't thought of it that way. At least he, A) gives a crap, and B) has confidence in his team to make things work. I always like to see Alonso doing well, but despite his great attitude, I can see three or four podiums maximum for him this year sadly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-23-2009, 06:52 PM	#12
Frodogzzz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 535 Senior Member	http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45649 I'm REALLY not sure about that. Full marks to Fernando for being optimistic, but I can't see 'the duck' being a quick enough machine to even get on the podium for a while let alone fight for the championship. And even if they do score a podium it will be due to either Alonso's brilliance, attrition or an outrageous bit of luck. They are in the same boat as McLaren, BMW and Ferrari: just not good enough at the moment. At least Frodo's optimistic Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-24-2009, 03:01 PM	#13
fd8IIys2 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 398 Senior Member	I guess they have something up their sleeve in Renault because this season he sounds more optimistic than usual. We will see but they better start developing soon, because for the second part of the season it might be a little too late. I hope he's right though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-24-2009, 03:23 PM	#14
RilmAlime67 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	At the moment, woody. They managed to score a win last year and the beginning in 2008 was also disastrous. They can improve a lot and they have to improve not against Ferrari and McLaren-Mercedes, but against Brawn GP, *who have no money to replace their front wing,* and RBR, who are facing radical redesign. I can see why Alonso is optimistic and I expect him to get very strong very soon. Don't worry!! Webbo will give bunsen some Red Bull - Red Bull gives you wings. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-24-2009, 05:22 PM	#15
AnetTeilor Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	To be honest, while the Red Bull and Brawn "look" quick, the Renault just doesn't. Having said that, the 1998 Jordan looked all bloated and square as well and started off as a dog but was a race winner by the end of that year, so who knows? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-25-2009, 03:11 AM	#16
autoloanexpert Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	To be honest, while the Red Bull and Brawn "look" quick, the Renault just doesn't. Having said that, the 1998 Jordan looked all bloated and square as well and started off as a dog but was a race winner by the end of that year, so who knows? I dunno. All cars look odd to me this year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-25-2009, 05:05 AM	#17
onelovemp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	Renault, Mclaren and Ferrari can all easily get in the fight, remember that in 2007 Kimi was about 16-17 points behind Hamilton with two races to go and well over 20 points behind a bit earlier. The Brawns will retire, Rubens will spin, Button will crash and we know that the Red Bulls are not the strongest cars there are. Alonso is being totally realistic. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-25-2009, 05:26 PM	#18
giftbestcom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	I'd much rather have a #1 driver with Alonso's attitude than having Kimi publicly saying (after just two races!) that the title was out of reach. FA displays a true champion's attitude Except Kimi did not say that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-25-2009, 06:04 PM	#19
pouslytut Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 527 Senior Member	Except Kimi did not say that. Sorry, you're wrong. If you have a recording of the BBC coverage from China, FF to around 17m50s and you'll hear the words straight from the horse's mouth. It's also referenced in this article. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-25-2009, 06:09 PM	#20
giftbestcom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	Sorry, you're wrong. If you have a recording of the BBC coverage from China, FF to around 17m50s and you'll hear the words straight from the horse's mouth. It's also referenced in this article. Of course I dont have a recording. The quote I read from him was that if they dont improve very soon, then they wont have any chance, as with the current package, they cant fight for the title. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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