[SarSerceSaice]

Looks very similar to the Ferrari...
I hope the aero restrictions don't mean all the cars look the same

They look quite different to me. Nose, sidepods, mirrors, engine cover. Of course, they both have 4 wheels

[EntectCelpelm]

It looks similar to all the other Toyotas. Obviously the dimensions are different, but apart from that, mmmmmmm a conservative car, as usual.

How can you tell? I'm really dying to know

Last years car was a radical design. One of the things they concentrated on was altering the weight distribution/aero to decrease the aero pitch sensitivity of the car which blighted them in previous years.

[SarSerceSaice]

Ohhhhh, those pictures are rather large. How do you shrink them?

[EntectCelpelm]

The sidewing endplates are going to clip something easily. They are even lower than the rather low front wing! And they purposely make them extend further out and lower. I think they have reinforced the front wing pillars as well. May be they are trying to destroy other cars rear tires lol.

Very radical front wing design so far though yet to see what the other teams get up to.

Very aggressive front wing endplates/fencing. Ferrari seem more reliant on the wings/tabs.

Those pillars remind me of the Williams tusk. Doesn't particularly surprise me that we will be seeing high noses to get airflow onto the front splitters.

[quorceopporce]

The direct head-on aspect is certainly these cars' best angle, for you can't tell that the wings are so out of proportion with one another.

[SetSnonejog]

Nice and clean design! I like it!

It looks like everyone will have those vertical side elements in the middle section.

[SarSerceSaice]

They have managed to make the nose even uglier than the Walrus

[Narkeere]

I suppose they're thinking along the same lines as Ferrari.. they've had red livery for the past sixty years. The Toyota doesn't quite have the same effect though

Thats a small understatement. Ferrari brings to mind red sportcars. Toyota? Rusty ricecups.

[bataovady]

I would like to clarify the livery stuff a bit, which seems to puzzle many people. Obviously Toyota's design approach is quite "simple", but it has its own strenghts and magic, which are alas not acknowledged. Simple and - as you say "boring" - approach makes this is actually quite understandable and sponsorfriendly. What do sponsors want? That their message reaches the masses as easily as possible. And the Toyota Way of design offers this to them at the best way. I mean you can clearly see for example the word of DENSO, there is no mess around it. It's simple and easily recognizable - opposite to a mix of colours about which people should guess, who or what is behind it. People say that Toyota is often "invisible", but a friend of mine, who subscribes to F1 Racing Magazine, has said that according to their information Toyota has been a Top4 team for several years now in terms of TV-coverage as their livery quite "TV-friendly" and gets quite a lot of coverage. Again beneficial for sponsors.

Anyway, I must admit I liked TF108's livery more, especially the pattern on the nose. I see that they have gone back to the previous nose paintjob, which for me is not so pleasant.

[bataovady]

They have managed to make the nose even uglier than the Walrus

For me the Williams Walrus nose is actually one of the favourites. It's often great to see something radically new and exciting.

[awagsFare]

looks just like the ferrari.

That's what we are going to get in 2009
16-18 cars all looking the same with different liveries

It looks like Max is getting his wish and creating a spec series

yuck!

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

There's something a bit weird looking about that front nose/wing pillar design and I dont think I like it. The rear bodywork looks rather bulbous compared to the Ferrari as well.

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

The sidewing endplates are going to clip something easily. They are even lower than the rather low front wing! And they purposely make them extend further out and lower. I think they have reinforced the front wing pillars as well. May be they are trying to destroy other cars rear tires lol.

They're low so that they can generate ground effect from the endplates, somehting that the last raising of the front wings stoped and made them more sensitive to turbulance. Cars 10 years ago had even lower front wings than this.

[phinno13]

I put this together to get a better idea of just how similar the Ferrari and the Toyota are. Not so identical, I think.

[TopcigsCOM]

Etihad looks stunning, I think deserves more visible place than the plain MUBADALA.

[SarSerceSaice]

I put this together to get a better idea of just how similar the Ferrari and the Toyota are. Not so identical, I think.

Great graphic. Any chance of a front on view?

Ferrari have stuck with a long wheel base but Toyota look to have a lot of weight stuck out the back. With the decreased downforce, is this the right idea?

[SetSnonejog]

I put this together to get a better idea of just how similar the Ferrari and the Toyota are. Not so identical, I think.

Thanks,
Assuming both cars have roughly the same overall length, it's obvious that the Ferrari has a much shorter wheelbase.

[SarSerceSaice]

Thanks,
Assuming both cars have roughly the same overall length, it's obvious that the Ferrari has a much shorter wheelbase.

Thats an illogical assumption but possible,

Both cars are lined up at the back and the front wheels are in the same position but the Ferrari nose is not truncated as the Toyota is.

Also, if you look at the front wheels, they are roughly in the same position.

I suggest the 2 pictures are pretty much to scale with the 2 main differences being that Toyota have a stub nose and the Ferrari has a longer wheelbase.

Still, pictures say differently on your web sites

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

Great graphic. Any chance of a front on view?

Ferrari have stuck with a long wheel base but Toyota look to have a lot of weight stuck out the back. With the decreased downforce, is this the right idea?

I dont think the Ferrari has a much longer wheelbase than the Toyota by the looks of things, but it does have a much longer nose cone, which will be to make the most of frontal aero and try to clean up the wake of the front wing, without using turning vanes.

I was surprised at the difference in rear bodywork size, that Toyopta looks positively fat compared to the Ferrari.

[giftbestcom]

I assumed that as the tyres are the same size on both photos and that they are the only common component (visible ) the photos must be to scale, so the assumptions seem pretty reasonable