[GueseVekdet]

It looked crazy! It was moving around and drifting like anything and looked like it was on the edge of control the whole time, yet it was faster than a Veyron.

I want F1 cars to do that. F1 cars look like they're on rails and it's boring. It was more fun watching that lap than it was watching the entire European GP.

[Indessasp]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NQfEO-gIqSg

[leareliovag]

Awesome bloody car and the thing just drifted round most of the lap. Call me crazy but if I had the money to spend on a Veyron then I'd probably end up just getting a Caterham, an F430, MK1 Escort Mexico, Beemer M5 and an old Jag, and still have change left over for a house

[VZF74G0M]

It depends if you want to make a statement about how much money you have or want to have fun.

My current project is a pretty standard Super 7 which has no where near the performance of the Catering-Van R500 but am seriously thinking about putting together something more exotic (just thinking about which chassis) with something like a tuned 2l turbo engine that wont be too much off the 500 pace. Do the whole lot for 15 grand

1.5% of the cost of a Volkswagen If only everything in life was as reliable

[leareliovag]

It depends if you want to make a statement about how much money you have or want to have fun.

My current project is a pretty standard Super 7 which has no where near the performance of the Catering-Van R500 but am seriously thinking about putting together something more exotic (just thinking about which chassis) with something like a tuned 2l turbo engine that wont be too much off the 500 pace. Do the whole lot for 15 grand

1.5% of the cost of a Volkswagen If only everything in life was as reliable

A 'busa engine's what you really need, lightweight, sequential box, just a shame about the effort of getting a prop made (although I'm told it's not too bad) tweek that bad boy and you'll be flying

[DfrtYhyu]

The Evo magazine people have been running an R500 in their long-term fleet, and they can't stop praising it in every single issue. They recently gave Ceterham a special "life-time award" in their eCoty issue.

Caterham is the ultimate demonstration of proper car design. It is the only 7 (or 7 replica) which handles like it should.

If you are thinking about a Sunday roadster, or a trakcday car, nothing beats a Caterham, any Caterham. Even the basic models are just pure fun, the R400 and R500 are just devilish fun ;-)

[VZF74G0M]

A 'busa engine's what you really need, lightweight, sequential box, just a shame about the effort of getting a prop made (although I'm told it's not too bad) tweek that bad boy and you'll be flying

Turbo Busa in a lightweight or twin Busa's are a possibility that some people have been mooting.

However, I've got other plans

[leareliovag]

Turbo Busa in a lightweight or twin Busa's are a possibility that some people have been mooting.

However, I've got other plans

Aaah, want to keep clean pants then

Me and my old man sprint a Locost which is a very basic 7 type thing. Only got a virtually standard 1300 Ford crossflow but is fantastic fun to chuck about, can't even imagine what it'd be like with the extra power. I think that at the minute it only puts out about 76 bhp so you get a rough idea of how slow it actually is [boast mode]although I proudly went quicker than a Hawk Stratos and a Darrian on my last event [/boast mode] I still find it amazing how well the thing will stick when you throw it into a corner and can only imagine what a real Caterham would handle like

[VZF74G0M]

My Hoodie only has an old Sierra engine but great fun.

If you want to get a bit more, have a chat with MK engineering. The bloke is the cannines gonads and will drop a R1 lump in your little old Locost without breaking stride giving you more than twice the power with a reduction in weight. (About 430KG all up making it possible to get about 400BHP/T)

Don't know about the engineering but a R1 lump will cost you £500 - £800 with running gear, ECU and carbs.

http://www.mkengineering.co.uk/enginetransplants.htm

[leareliovag]

Funds have tightened somewhat recently so even just towing the car to Yorkshire is a bit heavy for us. Also we're trying to keep it as the same spec as the Championship at the minute because it'll have better resale and also means we don't end up spending a fortune on trying to go quicker

[gomosopions]

The Evo magazine people have been running an R500 in their long-term fleet, and they can't stop praising it in every single issue. They recently gave Ceterham a special "life-time award" in their eCoty issue.

The R500 on top gear was the EVO long term fleet car

[Stoottnoiciek]

It looked crazy! It was moving around and drifting like anything and looked like it was on the edge of control the whole time, yet it was faster than a Veyron.

I want F1 cars to do that. F1 cars look like they're on rails and it's boring. It was more fun watching that lap than it was watching the entire European GP.

Thus illustrating the pontlessness of the Veyron. Sure it's an engineering marvel but how many times have you walked past a nice building and said "Phwoar look at the engineering on that!"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Form and function is what it's all about and the Veyron ticks neither of those boxes when you consider how ugly it is and how much power it needs to do what it does. The Caterham as a drivers car does all the Veyron does and more with a lot less power and for a LOT less money. In fact if you still want to pose you could buy a Maserati GranTurismo as well for the times when you want to drive distances. In fact you could have a different Maser and Caterham for every day of the week for less than what a Verywrong will cost you

Which brings me to Formula 1 and getting rid of a good deal of the downforce. No one beyond the sad anoraky types would walk past an F1 car and think "Phwoar just think of all the time they needed to spend in a wind tunnel to get all those annoying winglets and appendages and things which create a bit more downforce and a lot more turbulence behind making the car so much harder to pass PHWOAR I'm off to the toilet for a good fap now as that really arouses me so much it's not funny"

I've just never understood people who go for that sort of thing purely because it's the pinnacle of motorsport, pinnacle of snooziness more like!

[Immampdah]

It looked crazy! It was moving around and drifting like anything and looked like it was on the edge of control the whole time, yet it was faster than a Veyron.

I want F1 cars to do that. F1 cars look like they're on rails and it's boring. It was more fun watching that lap than it was watching the entire European GP.

Nice lap, I bet the time would have been even better if it didn't slide around like a horse sledge.

If you want to see cars racing like that I suggest you watch rally and leave f1 alone.

[Stoottnoiciek]

Nice lap, I bet the time would have been even better if it didn't slide around like a horse sledge.

If you want to see cars racing like that I suggest you watch rally and leave f1 alone.

Sometimes oversteer can be fast you know That and it's spectacular! Do you prefer to watch cars understeering their way round the track?

[Immampdah]

Sometimes oversteer can be fast you know That and it's spectacular! Do you prefer to watch cars understeering their way round the track?

Oversteering it's all right up to a limit , than you are getting slower. I hate understeering cars.

[quorceopporce]

Nice lap, I bet the time would have been even better if it didn't slide around like a horse sledge.

If you want to see cars racing like that I suggest you watch rally and leave f1 alone.

ioan, rallying is not racing.

I presume that, if you were a rally fan, you would absolutely hate the oversteering Escorts, 131s and so on of years gone by, because 'if you want to see cars racing like that I suggest you go to the Andros Trophy'? I also presume you dislike the F1 cars of old that oversteered visibly?

[Immampdah]

ioan, rallying is not racing.

That Caterham was not racing either.

I presume that, if you were a rally fan, you would absolutely hate the oversteering Escorts, 131s and so on of years gone by, because 'if you want to see cars racing like that I suggest you go to the Andros Trophy'? I also presume you dislike the F1 cars of old that oversteered visibly?

I actually like rally, and oversteering cars, and also the old oversteery F1 cars. But hey, we need to evolve and ovesteering to such a level has no place in modern F1 IMO.

[Indessasp]

Sometimes oversteer can be fast you know That and it's spectacular!

Wish I could find the classic photos of Fangio, Amon, and Peterson four-wheel-drifting their (very quick) way around Awesome skill. Awesome to see.

[Stoottnoiciek]

That Caterham was not racing either.



I actually like rally, and oversteering cars, and also the old oversteery F1 cars. But hey, we need to evolve and ovesteering to such a level has no place in modern F1 IMO.

So spectacle has no place in motorsport then?

[Immampdah]

So spectacle has no place in motorsport then?

Not in F1 IMO, have nothing against it in other motorsports that aren't so technologically advanced.
I'm not watching F1 for accidents, for crashes, for slides, oversteers etc...

If I want oversteery cars I watch Rallying.
If I want lots of passes I watch MotoGP.
If I want technological excellence I watch F1.