[Flatlytaize]

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/27102008/...t-formula.html

Ferrari threaten to quit F1 if standardized engines come into play in 2010

I appreciate their stance and their comments are spot on.

But the Italian firm said it had "major reservations" over any proposals that would lead to teams using the same engines: "it would deprive Formula One of its whole reason for existing, which is based on competition and technological development."

This move by Ferrari is to be applauded. If Max and the FIA continue to go down this stupid path, that breakaway series will come into fruition with Ferrari joining the other manufactures. They realize as well that competing against the likes of McLaren, BMW, Toyota, Honda, Renault, etc in an advanced series with individual engines and spurred by reasonable development is more important to them than competing in a hollow series.

I think that Max Mosley and his FIA cronies might have overplayed their hand with this standardized engine nonsense. The backlash is only beginning and will continue more so over the winter break.

MM and bernie need to leave F1 for the good of the sport.

Once again, hats off to Ferrari for taking a bold stance in trying to ensure that F1 remains the pinnacle of auto racing.

[freeringtonesioo]

Im not a fan of Ferrari at all, but im glad someone has taken this stance. I just hope the others follow soon and they come up with some better ideas for cost reduction.

[Flatlytaize]

oh and another thing from thant article.

whenever Bernie talks about cost saving moves and the need to save millions, I laugh. It is the height of Hypocrisy to espouse cost savings while at the same time holding cities and venues hostage until they pay him the kings ransom for the GP, along with the other exorbitant fees latched on left and right for everything for world feeds, paddock clubs, sponsorship, and related fees. as well as the stupid FIA's superlicense license hikes.

Bernies should just keep his mouth shut when it comes to fiscal conservatism in F1. For he's solely responsible for the astronomical costs of everything in F1 except for team expenditures.

[Flatlytaize]

Im not a fan of Ferrari at all, but im glad someone has taken this stance. I just hope the others follow soon and they come up with some better ideas for cost reduction.

Neither am I, but one has to commend them on their stance.
You know that the FIA. Bernie and MM have jumped the shark when Ferrari denounce their moves and threaten to leave the sport.

[mbaueee]

Well done to Ferrari. I mean isn't the point of the engine freeze to cut costs. The racing hasn't been devalued by it.

Bernie should shut up regarding money unless he spends some of it on improving existing tracks and not going to all these new ones.

[erelvenewmeva]

According to TSN Canada Toyota are following Ferrari's lead.

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Good on 'em.

[TimoDass]

Bernies should just keep his mouth shut when it comes to fiscal conservatism in F1. For he's solely responsible for the astronomical costs of everything in F1 except for team expenditures.

That's what I've been saying for years! He needs to go or the others players will leave him alone.

[Avoireeideree]

Im not a fan of Ferrari at all, but im glad someone has taken this stance. I just hope the others follow soon and they come up with some better ideas for cost reduction.

I'm in a similar boat, standard engines, NOOOOOOOOOO!!! Not at any cost!! Who would make them? Too many questions!!!

Bernie should stay out of the decision making, rule making process. His job is to promote the sport, not run it. The FIA/Manufacturers should decide what happens, then Bernie can get involved. Well, that's how I think it should work.

[Gintovtosik]

Well done Ferrari, and Toyota for that matter, for standing up to Max and Bernie on this.

If you standardise the engine and gearbox, hey you might as well standardise the suspension, the chassis, and so on, till everyone is in the same car, and to me F1 has always been about not just who is the best driver, but who can build the best car. You need both aspects.

I just hope Ferrari and Toyota have the balls to stick to their guns, and not be drawn back in "because its F1". Max and Bernie treat F1 as nothing more than a brand these days, thinking that just because something is called "F1" it will continue to be the most followed motor sport on the planet however they butcher it.

Well you can call a big steaming piece of dog crap any name you want but it's still a piece of crap at the end of the day. Which is what F1 will become if Max and Bernie get their way.

If this whole thing causes the standard engine to be quietly dropped, I think I'll have two new favourite teams to cheer on. If not, then I'll be "quitting" F1 along with them.

[Gintovtosik]

Bernie should stay out of the decision making, rule making process. His job is to promote the sport, not run it. The FIA/Manufacturers should decide what happens, then Bernie can get involved. Well, that's how I think it should work.

Funny enough...this is how it was MEANT to work when the Concorde Agreement "peace deal" was made in the early 1980s. The deal was FISA (now FIA) makes the rules, and FOCA (i.e. Bernie) manage the commercial side. Unfortunately when Bernie's buddy Max got voted in as FIA president the lines began to get blurred...

[Inonanialry]

Great news that Ferrari and Toyota are making a stand on this stupid idea, although I don't honestly believe the FIA actually intend to make the one engine supplier a reality. It's certainly a wake up call for the teams but it could also turn around and bite Max and Bernie - and about time too!

[Flatlytaize]

good for Toyota too.


Let's hear from the others please!

[TimoDass]

Great news that Ferrari and Toyota are making a stand on this stupid idea...

I'm expecting the others to do the same.

[dr-eavealer]

I don't see Max wanting to buck Ferrari on this one - he will cave in.

[markshome23]

I'm expecting the others to do the same.

I've already read a quote in last weeks Autosport from Nick Fry that says basically the same thing.

Anyone know if BMW and/or Mercedes have said anything on this?

[Inonanialry]

Good to see one of the big players make a stand on this one.

[neotheMit]

I don't see Max wanting to buck Ferrari on this one - he will cave in.

My feeling is that Mosley is obstinate enough, and stubborn enough that he will continue with his plan, at least until some teams actually withdraw. He may think that after all the publicity this past summer, and the efforts to remove him, that he has something to prove.

[mbaueee]

The sad thing in my opinion is that without Ferrari opposing this it probably would have gone ahead (heck, it may still do so). With al due respect to Toyota, if the decision is reversed it will have nothing to do with their complaints.

The FIA don't really give a crap about other team's opinions.

Still well done to Ferrari and Toyota for in a sense putting their necks on the line.

[dXI9XFOA]

Great news that Ferrari and Toyota are making a stand on this stupid idea, although I don't honestly believe the FIA actually intend to make the one engine supplier a reality. It's certainly a wake up call for the teams but it could also turn around and bite Max and Bernie - and about time too!

Looks like Bernie has finally started the dominoes tumbling! I see no point in watching F1GP! F1 would become an open-wheeled version of NASCAR.