what's the point of medals ? (Proposed new scoring system)
 

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/Ne...coring-system/

Nice touch for continuity .
Will they need to look like cups , like the trophies ?

I don't quite know what to say .

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I seriously hope that that's a joke. I've heard many stupid suggestions over the years (anyone remember Max's rotating drivers suggestion?) but this is possibly the worst.

I actually like the current points system - it gives points far down enough so that it's not just the same few cars that score every race (like the old F1 scoring system in the later years) but not so many to make it needlessly complicated or adding to the possibility of championships from midfield positions (e.g. IRL, last years of ChampCar).

I can see where he's going to an extent, in theory you could win the drivers championship having never actually won a race, and the emphasis should be on winning.
I think the margin of points between 1st and 2nd and 3rd should increase to reward the winner, or introduce points for pole and fastest lap at least.

But that means that you'd have to end up on the podium to get any sort of result! It's hard enough for some teams to finish top 8 all year. Surely teams would pull out...

Ridiculous idea, this isn't the Olympics. Isn't that what the trophies are for on the podium?

The system has been fine for the past 60 (nearly) years, why the hell does it need changing now? Give the winner 12 points or the runner up 7 and then leave it alone!

There are so many things wrong with what Bernie is saying.

For a start the season hasn't exactly been one sided, the drivers already get trophies, and there's been plenty of great racing this year.

I think everyone should ignore him he's clearly lost the plot and is only thinking about his wallet. That's why Canada, the USA and France have been axed over countries with NO motorsport history at all.

Exactly, this season and last have been more open than it has been for a long time.

I do sort of agree that winning should be rewarded, rather than just consistency. The balance of points should favour the winners.

Methinks Bernie's showing the beginings of a touch of senility. He's 77 after all.

I like the way he says that he's convinced everyone that points have to go. Can anybody see all the teams agreeing to this? Perhaps by everyone Bernie means himself, Max and their imaginary friend Bob. I'm sure Bob and the rest of the inhabitants of Fairy Land are quite amenable to the idea.

Under this system...
Minardi - 20 years of competition was worthless.

Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone believes that Lewis Hamilton will win the Drivers' title next Sunday but says he never wants to see such a one-sided ending to a season again. One sided? At one stage we had three drivers with a shot for the title, and the title race has actually come to the last event. Perhaps Bernie needs to get his medication changed... hopefully to cyanide pills.

I agree with you on putting more emphasis on winning. I read in another thread where someone suggested it being 12 for 1st instead of 10. But a medal system seems like it cause more confusion than better racing.

They will still score points for the WCC so Minardi's toils wouldn't have been entirely worthless.



I think what Bernie wants is a type of Super Bowl/Grand Final/FA Cup Final finale where the winner takes all. We don't have that this year as Hamilton basically only needs to finish to win. This bothers Bernie because he thinks that not as many people will be watching as it's an almost forgone conclusion. Think of the dollars lost! And all because that young Hamilton didn't have the decency to win the title by a point with a win at the last race. For shame on you Lewis, you inconsiderate so-and-so! Think of Bernie's retirement fund next time please!

I'm somewhat surprised that Bernie doesn't want throw out the points for that last race and have the top four shoot it out for the crown. Think of it! Hamilton vs Massa vs Raikkonen vs Kubica! Winner takes all! Last man standing!

Now, where did they put those clowns?

I think its a great idea, the champ should be the one with the most wins.

And for those saying Bernie is getting old, he first suggested this idea back in 1982!

nothing wrong with the scoring other than maybe 1 or 2 more points should seperate 1st and 2nd to try and motivate drivers to race for the win more

Hell, how about the points tally of the drivers decides the starting grid of the last race, and the winner of the last race wins the championship?


No?

The championship comes down to the last race and he's complaining? I mean if the championship was decided at Spa, I might be inclined to agree; but that's not the case here.

In 1982 Keke Rosberg won the title after only having won a single race. Was this comment made because as a team owner he was jealous?

The problem with next week's race is that Hamilton barely has to bother. I'd much rather he and Massa had to race to the finish to decide the title.

What would have Bernie said abotu Mansell in 1992 or Schumacher in 2004? If a driver exerts dominance on the season by winning lots, then it would be decided early. In the case of Schumacher in '04, the title under Bernie's system would have been over by July 4 (which it pretty well was anyway).

David Coulthard has score more F1 points than another other British driver, but nobody really knows this because people look at race wins.
Um, that would be because his career has been going since 1994 and has made 245 starts? Is it only Barichello and Patrese who started more races?

Bernie you're an idiot.

I agree, to a point. Where someone has significantly more wins, eg. Schumi with 6 over Raikkonen with 1 in 2003, he should be champion. But when the win total sits at 5-4 then you need something more than just wins to decide. That's where points come in.

The problem is that in Bernie's reacting to this season in isolation. If we used Bernie's medal system in 2003 then Schumi would have been champion before the last race and Raikkonen would never have been in contention at all.

Last year Kimi would have actually lead the championship going into the last race with a 5-4 win advantage over Hamilton and Alonso and wouldn't have had to win the race to become champion. He could have let Massa win and DNF'd and the McLaren duo could not have beaten him.

Bernie's medals will no more guarantee a close championship than any other system. What will probably happen is that 2nd and 3rd palces will decide the championship as drivers end up tied for wins. Not exactly what Bernie's after is it?

From memory the comment was either made during 1981 (for 1982), or during 1982 (for 1983), have to check my RCN's

Not sure what he was jealous, Piquet & Patrese individually didn't exceed Rosberg's win tally in 1982 [http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif]

I'm not sure really. I can see merit to the idea. But I really don't think it will work in practice. It wasn't so long ago they extended the points from top 6 to top 8 to give the other teams something to compete for, now they want to just make it top 3?!

Here we go again http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/frown.gif

Why do they want to keep (excuse the pun) meddling with the sport http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/styles/World/icons/icon5.gif