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**jeepgrandch** · 10-20-2008, 03:28 AM

So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship.

McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats.

So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing.

**AlissBart** · 10-20-2008, 03:34 AM

So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship.

McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats.

So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing.

Actually, IMO they both suck. Speedvision people were doing some calculations about how many points have been wasted by both McLaren and Ferrari. The result is: 36 points wasted by Ferrari and 35 by McLaren.

So, as you can see McLaren wins by 1 point. That to me shows that neither team deserves to win.

IMO Kubiza and Alonso, considering the means available to them did a remarkable better job than the two leading teams. MS would have won this championship 3 months ago. No question about it.

**Eagevawax** · 10-20-2008, 05:12 AM

for massa to win the wdc he would need to win the race and have lewis in 6 th or lower

**Qzmsdoem** · 10-20-2008, 06:11 AM

Actually, IMO they both suck. Speedvision people were doing some calculations about how many points have been wasted by both McLaren and Ferrari. The result is: 36 points wasted by Ferrari and 35 by McLaren.

So, as you can see McLaren wins by 1 point. That to me shows that neither team deserves to win.

IMO Kubiza and Alonso, considering the means available to them did a remarkable better job than the two leading teams. MS would have won this championship 3 months ago. No question about it.

That's kinda harsh...I mean I didn't know there was extra criteria on top of winning the Driver's Championship to be a Driver's Champion.

**jeepgrandch** · 10-20-2008, 06:36 AM

for massa to win the wdc he would need to win the race and have lewis in 6 th or lower

Indeed, but the topic can only be hypothetical at the moment. If Lewis finishes 6th and then Massa wins then I think that a lot of people will raise questions over the title.

**dr-eavealer** · 10-20-2008, 08:28 AM

So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship.

McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats.

So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing.

The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted.

I think the more you think, the more confused you'll become. Just let it roll - it's le Nom du Jeu. Don't forget, come the first Tuesday of November, you heard it from me first!!

**Beauseaccerce** · 10-20-2008, 11:19 AM

The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted.

I think the more you think, the more confused you'll become. Just let it roll - it's le Nom du Jeu. Don't forget, come the first Tuesday of November, you heard it from me first!!

I doubt that the appeals will be over by then......for either race....

**dXI9XFOA** · 10-20-2008, 02:06 PM

The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted.

More like: If Ferrari wins, McLaren fans will say they cheated, if McLaren wins, Ferrari fans will say the cheated! The glass is ALWAYS half-empty!

**LasTins** · 10-20-2008, 02:56 PM

If Massa wins, to me it will be so cool that I would never think whether it was tainted or not. And generally fans forget those things after a while. And I think that both FM and LH deserve the championship, so of Massa wins, that will be cool

But I will be happy even if LH wins IF Ferrari wins the WCC.

**ARKLqAZ6** · 10-21-2008, 07:06 PM

What is a concern a Ferrari hits Bourdais and Bourdais gets a penalty, Bourdais hits a toyota and he does not get a penalty. That is what will taint the championship and I am glad I am not Massa. If he wins he will never feel fully justified as he will always know he had help.

**LasTins** · 10-21-2008, 07:43 PM

Max, I am sure that he will be feeling well

**Roneyslelry** · 10-21-2008, 07:54 PM

Max, I am sure that he will be feeling well

Come on F1boat. I always saw you as a F1 fan first and a Ferrari fan 2nd.

You can be trully happy at the way Max (or the Stewards if you prefer) has engineered this years championship.

"To win without honour" and all that?

**andreas** · 10-21-2008, 08:24 PM

Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second.

That is all.

**nilliraq** · 10-21-2008, 08:36 PM

Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second.

That is all.

**nilliraq** · 10-21-2008, 08:36 PM

Come on F1boat. I always saw you as a F1 fan first and a Ferrari fan 2nd.

FYI he is an Alonso fan rather than a Ferrari fan!

**nilliraq** · 10-21-2008, 08:37 PM

What is a concern a Ferrari hits Bourdais and Bourdais gets a penalty, Bourdais hits a toyota and he does not get a penalty. That is what will taint the championship and I am glad I am not Massa. If he wins he will never feel fully justified as he will always know he had help.

What is a concern for you isn't a concern to everyone.

**zoneouddy** · 10-21-2008, 08:45 PM

Indeed, but the topic can only be hypothetical at the moment. If Lewis finishes 6th and then Massa wins then I think that a lot of people will raise questions over the title.

Actually I think that if Massa wins and Hamilton comes sixth all questions would fade away.

**kuklame** · 10-21-2008, 08:46 PM

Water under the bridge boys!
You may not agree, but
that's what it is!

**andreas** · 10-21-2008, 08:46 PM

ioan after seeing your views on the Massa Sebastien incident I could say something similar for yourself

I just don't like biased people no matter what team they chose to support

**Roneyslelry** · 10-21-2008, 09:46 PM

Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second.

That is all.

You you should open your eyes young man

I am a motor racing fan 1st and foremost and am against anything that negativly impacts on the sport.

Spygate for example is one such example where I was furious with McLaren and as I said at the beginning of the fiasco, they deserved to be punished and I have never said otherwise.

And although I am a McLaren fan (as well as a Williams and Honda fan) I hope I have the objectivity to debate with facts, logic and rational thought.

Some people on here throw accusations around like confetti but I will always back mine up when asked (unlike some)

10-20-2008, 03:28 AM	#1
jeepgrandch Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	THOSE dropped points So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship. McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats. So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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AlissBart Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship. McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats. So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing. Actually, IMO they both suck. Speedvision people were doing some calculations about how many points have been wasted by both McLaren and Ferrari. The result is: 36 points wasted by Ferrari and 35 by McLaren. So, as you can see McLaren wins by 1 point. That to me shows that neither team deserves to win. IMO Kubiza and Alonso, considering the means available to them did a remarkable better job than the two leading teams. MS would have won this championship 3 months ago. No question about it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Eagevawax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	for massa to win the wdc he would need to win the race and have lewis in 6 th or lower Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 06:11 AM	#4
Qzmsdoem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	Actually, IMO they both suck. Speedvision people were doing some calculations about how many points have been wasted by both McLaren and Ferrari. The result is: 36 points wasted by Ferrari and 35 by McLaren. So, as you can see McLaren wins by 1 point. That to me shows that neither team deserves to win. IMO Kubiza and Alonso, considering the means available to them did a remarkable better job than the two leading teams. MS would have won this championship 3 months ago. No question about it. That's kinda harsh...I mean I didn't know there was extra criteria on top of winning the Driver's Championship to be a Driver's Champion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 06:36 AM	#5
jeepgrandch Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	for massa to win the wdc he would need to win the race and have lewis in 6 th or lower Indeed, but the topic can only be hypothetical at the moment. If Lewis finishes 6th and then Massa wins then I think that a lot of people will raise questions over the title. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 08:28 AM	#6
dr-eavealer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	So let's suppose that Massa wins the championship at Brazil, how will people feel about the championship. McLaren/Hamilton fans will mostly feel jipped I think due to the whole Spa incident but Ferrari/Felipe fans will say that Lewis heated, deserved the penalty and ultimately shouldn't be allowed to be WDC because he cheats. So what do people think? Personally I believe that the title would be considered as tainted by a lot of people, and I include some Ferrari fans in this, because it is ultimately a title affected by red tape. Regardless of who wins I want to see a fair fight and it's not the way that the penalty was awarded, just that a penalty could have such a big impact on a year of racing. The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted. I think the more you think, the more confused you'll become. Just let it roll - it's le *Nom du Jeu*. Don't forget, come the first Tuesday of November, you heard it from me first!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 11:19 AM	#7
Beauseaccerce Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted. I think the more you think, the more confused you'll become. Just let it roll - it's le *Nom du Jeu*. Don't forget, come the first Tuesday of November, you heard it from me first!! I doubt that the appeals will be over by then......for either race.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 02:06 PM	#8
dXI9XFOA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	The way I see it, if Ferrari wins the WDC, their fans will be delighted. If McLaren wins, their fans will be delighted. More like: If Ferrari wins, McLaren fans will say they cheated, if McLaren wins, Ferrari fans will say the cheated! The glass is ALWAYS half-empty! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-20-2008, 02:56 PM	#9
LasTins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 629 Senior Member	If Massa wins, to me it will be so cool that I would never think whether it was tainted or not. And generally fans forget those things after a while. And I think that both FM and LH deserve the championship, so of Massa wins, that will be cool But I will be happy even if LH wins IF Ferrari wins the WCC. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 07:06 PM	#10
ARKLqAZ6 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	What is a concern a Ferrari hits Bourdais and Bourdais gets a penalty, Bourdais hits a toyota and he does not get a penalty. That is what will taint the championship and I am glad I am not Massa. If he wins he will never feel fully justified as he will always know he had help. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 07:43 PM	#11
LasTins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 629 Senior Member	Max, I am sure that he will be feeling well Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 07:54 PM	#12
Roneyslelry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Max, I am sure that he will be feeling well Come on F1boat. I always saw you as a F1 fan first and a Ferrari fan 2nd. You can be trully happy at the way Max (or the Stewards if you prefer) has engineered this years championship. "To win without honour" and all that? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 08:24 PM	#13
andreas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 567 Senior Member	Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second. That is all. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 08:36 PM	#14
nilliraq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second. That is all. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 08:37 PM	#16
nilliraq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	What is a concern a Ferrari hits Bourdais and Bourdais gets a penalty, Bourdais hits a toyota and he does not get a penalty. That is what will taint the championship and I am glad I am not Massa. If he wins he will never feel fully justified as he will always know he had help. What is a concern for you isn't a concern to everyone. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 08:45 PM	#17
zoneouddy Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Indeed, but the topic can only be hypothetical at the moment. If Lewis finishes 6th and then Massa wins then I think that a lot of people will raise questions over the title. Actually I think that if Massa wins and Hamilton comes sixth all questions would fade away. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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kuklame Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	Water under the bridge boys! You may not agree, but that's what it is! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 09:46 PM	#20
Roneyslelry Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 569 Senior Member	Come on Knock on. I always saw you as a McLaren fan first and an F1 fan second. That is all. You you should open your eyes young man I am a motor racing fan 1st and foremost and am against anything that negativly impacts on the sport. Spygate for example is one such example where I was furious with McLaren and as I said at the beginning of the fiasco, they deserved to be punished and I have never said otherwise. And although I am a McLaren fan (as well as a Williams and Honda fan) I hope I have the objectivity to debate with facts, logic and rational thought. Some people on here throw accusations around like confetti but I will always back mine up when asked (unlike some) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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