[Feloascarlelt]

Is anybody watching Speedvision? Is it me or the whole British crew has been bushing Ferrari all week end long?

I am totally apalled how Speedvision, an American Channel (right?) gave total control to some British commentators who have been pretty much beating Ferrari up all week-end and it seems that Speedvision is ok with that. Who cares about the Ferrari fans. Oh....are they paying extra to watch Speedvision? Oh well....too bad.

I simply find it apalling. It's like watching McLaren Television. From now on I'll be watching it on my computer. Any one has any suggestions about what is a good choice/software to use?

[Hankie]

This is really bad, write to the tv. They must know that fans are unhappy.

[GenryDont]

On ITV we get commentators who think that Hamilton can do no wrong, it gets equally frustrating hearing their lack of objectivity.

[Flatlytaize]

perhaps you missed the part where they were lampooinig hamilton for his Canada GP fiasco and blaming his misktales for the tightnes of this race. Converesly they didn't mention the Spa incident or Fuji Massa/Bourdais incident in situations that affected the race, but pretty much chose to blame LH for how close the WCC is.

They were not beating up on Ferrari all weekend, and only became cynical as the Massa pass on Raikkonen was approaching, Even then they were saying how stupid the rules were that they had to resort to these tactics. while attributing the reason for those rules to the Coultard/Hakkinen incident as well as the Rubens/MS austria incident.

I can attest to you that they were not beating up on Ferrari all weekend.
Just because they are not signing their praises when some other driver goes out and dominates the entire race weekend is not tantamount to beating up on Ferrari.

Their coverage has been fair and balanced all year long and it's surprising that you would bring that up in the penultimate race of the year after watching them for more than half a year, 16 races and countless F1 debriefs.

Hmm I wonder why you feel that way.

[Roneyslelry]

perhaps you missed the part where they were lampooinig hamilton for his Canada GP fiasco and blaming his misktales for the tightnes of this race. Converesly they didn't mention the Spa incident or Fuji Massa/Bourdais incident in situations that affected the race, but pretty much chose to blame LH for how close the WCC is.

They were not beating up on Ferrari all weekend, and only became cynical as the Massa pass on Raikkonen was approaching, Even then they were saying how stupid the rules were that they had to resort to these tactics. while attributing the reason for those rules to the Coultard/Hakkinen incident as well as the Rubens/MS austria incident.

I can attest to you that they were not beating up on Ferrari all weekend.
Just because they are not signing their praises when some other driver goes out and dominates the entire race weekend is not tantamount to beating up on Ferrari.

Their coverage has been fair and balanced all year long and it's surprising that you would bring that up in the penultimate race of the year after watching them for more than half a year, 16 races and countless F1 debriefs.

Hmm I wonder why you feel that way.

If you really want to hear gushing, then we'll ship Allen over to you

mstillhere is probably jacked that Massa was so poor today and is only in the championship because the FIA and his team mate keep giving him extra points he doesn't deserve

[Hankie]

If you really want to hear gushing, then we'll ship Allen over to you

mstillhere is probably jacked that Massa was so poor today and is only in the championship because the FIA and his team mate keep giving him extra points he doesn't deserve

Be a gracious winner

[usacomm]

mstillhere is probably jacked that Massa was so poor today...

I'm not so sure about poor. He just didn't have the car beneath him. His mood after qualifying seemed downbeat as if he knew he didn't have the pace, and that was confirmed in today's race. Kimi was quicker, but not by much. As Felipe said "We saw Lewis was a bit stronger in the beginning of the race, I mean he was stronger the whole weekend."

[TyncTyncSah]

well what would you expect from that overrated Hobbs. He has been building a condo up Lewis's ass ever since he burst on the scene

[andreas]

mstillhere is probably jacked that Massa was so poor today and is only in the championship because the FIA and his team mate keep giving him extra points he doesn't deserve

Be a gracious winner dude.....

Someone has to finish 2nd and someone has to finish 3rd. It's not necessarily an indication that they are a poor driver or that they've driven poorly, Hamilton drove a good race and no one could catch him. Perhaps you should congratulate Lewis for a good race rather than having a cheap pop at his rivals for doing what was quite a good job behind a guy who drove a good race and had a good car underneath him.

Getting back on topic I think a certain someone on this thread will get the job as pitlane reporter as they're a bit like Ted Kravitz in that if someone so much as yawns in the Ferrari pit lane they're there to say how they're giving up and if they did it in the McLaren garage he'd say they've sewn the race up and are going off for a quick siesta to freshen themselves for the nights partying.

[TimoDass]

Be a gracious winner dude.....

Someone has to finish 2nd and someone has to finish 3rd. It's not necessarily an indication that they are a poor driver or that they've driven poorly, Hamilton drove a good race and no one could catch him. Perhaps you should congratulate Lewis for a good race rather than having a cheap pop at his rivals for doing what was quite a good job behind a guy who drove a good race and had a good car underneath him.

Getting back on topic I think a certain someone on this thread will get the job as pitlane reporter as they're a bit like Ted Kravitz in that if someone so much as yawns in the Ferrari pit lane they're there to say how they're giving up and if they did it in the McLaren garage he'd say they've sewn the race up and are going off for a quick siesta to freshen themselves for the nights partying.

[Beauseaccerce]

well what would you expect from that overrated Hobbs. He has been building a condo up Lewis's ass ever since he burst on the scene

Let me say this, at Canada, they were very mad at Lewis, like how could you do that, what were you thinking and on and on.....not because he knocked Kimi out of the race--that was ignored--it was because he knocked himself out of the race!!!

I dunno, Hobbs is usually more like he is asleep or still hung over this year...must be old age creeping up on him.

Actually I think he was far worse last year......He would lead the whole crew in chants for Lewey during Qing, saying "push, come on you can do it, push, HARDER!!PUSH, PUSH! YES!!!He's done it!!!"

"Oh, that was some effort" (and I am sure they would get out their cigarettes--[West of course, never no Marlboro] and then lay back and ask each other off the air, "was it good for you....)

All of which is fine, if you are a Brit and a lover of Hamsters, but NOT ONCE DID THAT MISERABLE BUNCH OF JERKS DO THE SAME FOR SCOTTIE SPEED!!!
Instead it was "that poor old Scot Speed, wonder how long he will last with the team with those kinds of miserable results" after a race where he had passed several cars only to have his engine go bust.......And they are an American broadcaster television station that loves Nastycar......

Oh well, come to think of it, they never did any chanting for FA, Kimi or the the others either last year or this year. Fact is last year, as the race went on at Brazil, it was like they were watching a funerual possession......

[Feloascarlelt]

If you really want to hear gushing, then we'll ship Allen over to you

mstillhere is probably jacked that Massa was so poor today and is only in the championship because the FIA and his team mate keep giving him extra points he doesn't deserve

Don't talk to me. Right now I have my IV stuck into my arm. I'll resume my writing in a couple of hours. IF I get any better.

[Feloascarlelt]

Let me say this, at Canada, they were very mad at Lewis, like how could you do that, what were you thinking and on and on.....not because he knocked Kimi out of the race--that was ignored--it was because he knocked himself out of the race!!!

I dunno, Hobbs is usually more like he is asleep or still hung over this year...must be old age creeping up on him.

Actually I think he was far worse last year......He would lead the whole crew in chants for Lewey during Qing, saying "push, come on you can do it, push, HARDER!!PUSH, PUSH! YES!!!He's done it!!!"

"Oh, that was some effort" (and I am sure they would get out their cigarettes--[West of course, never no Marlboro] and then lay back and ask each other off the air, "was it good for you....)

All of which is fine, if you are a Brit and a lover of Hamsters, but NOT ONCE DID THAT MISERABLE BUNCH OF JERKS DO THE SAME FOR SCOTTIE SPEED!!!
Instead it was "that poor old Scot Speed, wonder how long he will last with the team with those kinds of miserable results" after a race where he had passed several cars only to have his engine go bust.......And they are an American broadcaster television station that loves Nastycar......

Oh well, come to think of it, they never did any chanting for FA, Kimi or the the others either last year or this year. Fact is last year, as the race went on at Brazil, it was like they were watching a funerual possession......

At least when Warsha (?) was there he would be more of a moderator, but now it's all over. It's about Lewis here and Lewis there. It's nausating.

And again if we were in Britain (Great Britain that is) ok. Fair enough. But here in the US? Last time I checked the number of McLaren's owners in the US is equal to the amount of people who own a Bugatti. Close to zero.

In terms of Ferrari owners we actually lost count. So, is Speedvision making any friends amoung the TWO McLaren owners? Absolutely. Amoung the one billion Ferrari owners? Hum....I strongly doubt it.

In the US we have many, MANY fans of different teams. Is it illogical? Why do we have to get all excited for McLaren? You want have a go at Ferrai? Sure. Go ahead. The whole week-end? Now that's a "little" excessive.

[Flatlytaize]

the only folks displaying a lack of grace around here are those laying into speedvision as some sort of an outlet to vent their pent up frustrations as there was nothing LH did that they could find fault with to harp on.

You folks are telling others to be gracious winners, while at the same time displaying the epitome of being sore losers. Try being gracious losers for a change.

I am just watching the race a gain and before the race even started
1. Peter Windsor goes on about Hamilton blowing races from the lead or from pole . Hobs chimes in with his pre-race analysis with a comment titled Deja-lewy which is implying the fact that LH might blow the race.

As the race begins withing the first 5 minutes.
2. Stating that Kovy is simply not doing the job and is pretty much lame for even falling behind Alonso, both call his early breaking and Alonso's repass, somewhat useless and that he needs to put his head down and get on with it.

3. All announcers call the 2 Ferrari's pretty strong and looking real good. Commend the team for making the super softs work in their advantage.

4. Basically laugh off Alonso's communication with the team that he has the pace to keep up with the Ferrari's, noting that the Ferrari's are pulling away and if that were the case why was Alonso not closer to them.

As the race progresses.
5. Continuing to lampoon kovy for a "pretty pathetic" drive and in response to another Alonso radio communication where the team tells him about his fuel status vs p5. Kovy, the announcers mention that Kovy should be battling with the Ferrari's instead of languishing behind Alonso and how.

6. mention that Raikkonen is setting fastest lap on lap 20 with super softs as pretty remarkable.

7. Windsor starts off a conversation again about how the closeness of the title fight is all Lewis' to blame due to his mistakes at fuji and canada. The rest of the team chimes in in agreement and make /no mention about Spa.
Hobbs goes on to say that Lewis move in Canada was the "dumbest" move of the year and pretty "boneheaded".

The only time they even had anything remotely negative to say was during the massa/kimi pass and Hobbs had a cynical comment about the fact that Massa was doing 1:38's and catching Kimi. They then went on a good 5 minute rant about the silliness of the rule and how team orders have been part of F1 since the 1950's. Even going so far as to mention times when 2nd drivers would give up their car for the #1 guy as was provided to Fangio. In stating why the rule came about they mentioned the Rubens/Ms situation in Austria and also the DC/Mikka incident a few years back stating that both teams were guilty of some really unsporting moves.

btw,.Hobbs was even more cynical about LH's pass on Kovy in Germany even doing a mock Radio communication to Kovy asking him to loose 2 seconds a lap in pace.

So please don't come now talking about Speedvisions bias because of your own bias after watching them for 17 rounds with nary a complaint. LH won comprehensively under immense pressure, didn't put a foot wrong and won by a large margin. Since there is nothing to attack him there on, you then turn to attack the messenger.

[Feloascarlelt]

the only folks displaying a lack of grace around here are those laying into speedvision as some sort of an outlet to vent their pent up frustrations as there was nothing LH did that they could find fault with to harp on.

You folks are telling others to be gracious winners, while at the same time displaying the epitome of being sore losers. Try being gracious losers for a change.

I am just watching the race a gain and before the race even started
1. Peter Windsor goes on about Hamilton blowing races from the lead or from pole . Hobs chimes in with his pre-race analysis with a comment titled Deja-lewy which is implying the fact that LH might blow the race.

As the race begins withing the first 5 minutes.
2. Stating that Kovy is simply not doing the job and is pretty much lame for even falling behind Alonso, both call his early breaking and Alonso's repass, somewhat useless and that he needs to put his head down and get on with it.

3. All announcers call the 2 Ferrari's pretty strong and looking real good. Commend the team for making the super softs work in their advantage.

4. Basically laugh off Alonso's communication with the team that he has the pace to keep up with the Ferrari's, noting that the Ferrari's are pulling away and if that were the case why was Alonso not closer to them.

As the race progresses.
5. Continuing to lampoon kovy for a "pretty pathetic" drive and in response to another Alonso radio communication where the team tells him about his fuel status vs p5. Kovy, the announcers mention that Kovy should be battling with the Ferrari's instead of languishing behind Alonso and how.

6. mention that Raikkonen is setting fastest lap on lap 20 with super softs as pretty remarkable.

7. Windsor starts off a conversation again about how the closeness of the title fight is all Lewis' to blame due to his mistakes at fuji and canada. The rest of the team chimes in in agreement and make /no mention about Spa.
Hobbs goes on to say that Lewis move in Canada was the "dumbest" move of the year and pretty "boneheaded".

The only time they even had anything remotely negative to say was during the massa/kimi pass and Hobbs had a cynical comment about the fact that Massa was doing 1:38's and catching Kimi. They then went on a good 5 minute rant about the silliness of the rule and how team orders have been part of F1 since the 1950's. Even going so far as to mention times when 2nd drivers would give up their car for the #1 guy as was provided to Fangio. In stating why the rule came about they mentioned the Rubens/Ms situation in Austria and also the DC/Mikka incident a few years back stating that both teams were guilty of some really unsporting moves.

btw,.Hobbs was even more cynical about LH's pass on Kovy in Germany even doing a mock Radio communication to Kovy asking him to loose 2 seconds a lap in pace.

So please don't come now talking about Speedvisions bias because of your own bias after watching them for 17 rounds with nary a complaint. LH won comprehensively under immense pressure, didn't put a foot wrong and won by a large margin. Since there is nothing to attack him there on, you then turn to attack the messenger.

It's interesting how WE pay just attention to what bother us.

[andreas]

Huh? How am I being an ungracious loser by saying that Hamilton drove better than everyone else on the day? Open your eyes and read posts properly dude.

[Flatlytaize]

Huh? How am I being an ungracious loser by saying that Hamilton drove better than everyone else on the day? Open your eyes and read posts properly dude.

you asked knock-on to be a gracious winner as did Mstillhere.

My comments were directed at him not you so, please don't take offense in it as I am not calling you out.

[Flatlytaize]

It's interesting how WE pay just attention to what bother us.

ok so please site me the incidents of Ferrari Bias please

I have given you more than ample cases of the opposite. So please site me any comments that you feel were denigrating to Ferrari over the weekend.

Then we can have a proper conversation.

I also ask anyone esle who watched the coverage to site me the "overwhelming" bias from Speedvision displayed over the weekend, because at the moment you only sound bitter at having to listen to them exalt LH for his brilliant weekend...unless you feel that in itslef is a slant to Ferrari
LOL

[andreas]

Truefan. You can find something to complain about in anything. Just be happy your man won and leave it at that. With the way you take issue with anything said about Lewis it looks like you're his dad or something.

[Beauseaccerce]

Truefan. You can find something to complain about in anything. Just be happy your man won and leave it at that. With the way you take issue with anything said about Lewis it looks like you're his dad or something.

no, if he was his dad, instead of posting here, he be out celebrating like a fool....