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gyjsdtuwr 09-03-2008 04:34 PM

Alonso
 
His performances in the Renault are less than what I was expecting. Which is unfortunate, because I think he is one of the more interesting drivers (say, compared to Hamilton) and I would like to see him do well. Performances like Hockenheim and Magny Cours where he made crucial errors have cost him.

Thoughts?

Dabdklwu 09-03-2008 06:12 PM

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His performances in the Renault are less than what I was expecting. Which is unfortunate, because I think he is one of the more interesting drivers (say, compared to Hamilton) and I would like to see him do well. Performances like Hockenheim and Magny Cours where he made crucial errors have cost him.

Thoughts?
It is true! his performances overall have been under what we could expect. In his favor, the car is also slower than we would expect.

At the end for him is an all or nothing race (the championship was out of his grasp with that car), so he has been risking in order to get an odd result, but luck this year has not been by his side.

cheers

Roneyslelry 09-03-2008 07:04 PM

It's true that he's been a bit up and down but has been putting 100% into the races.

Sometimes the frustration has overflowed into mistakes and some very ragged driveing but the poor sod is bloody frustrated I would have thought.

Still, at least he's giving it a go and has eclipsed his junior team mate.

zoneouddy 09-03-2008 07:22 PM

I believe that his situation made him risk more. he doesn't have much to lose at this point. I don't know if he cares much if he finishes 8th, 9th or doesn't finish at all. I don't.

nilliraq 09-03-2008 07:26 PM

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I believe that his situation made him risk more. he doesn't have much to lose at this point. I don't know if he cares much if he finishes 8th, 9th or doesn't finish at all. I don't.
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MwhwF6bp 09-03-2008 07:48 PM

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His performances in the Renault are less than what I was expecting. Which is unfortunate, because I think he is one of the more interesting drivers (say, compared to Hamilton) and I would like to see him do well. Performances like Hockenheim and Magny Cours where he made crucial errors have cost him.

Thoughts?
I think Monaco defines Alonso this year.

Judging by the radio excerpts he still convinces me he's by far the smartest guy in F1 today, he kept dictating strategy and giving good feedback on track conditions that day but made some dumb (by his standards) hot headed moves.

DrazAdwamoi 09-03-2008 08:42 PM

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I believe that his situation made him risk more. he doesn't have much to lose at this point. I don't know if he cares much if he finishes 8th, 9th or doesn't finish at all. I don't.
You go for broke on those situations. If you finish on the podium 3 times and finish 15th the rest of the time people will say you had a better year than if you finished 9th every time.

kuklame 09-03-2008 08:58 PM

Fred Fast Ferrari Future!

Dyerryjex 09-04-2008 01:15 AM

I've gained respect for Alonso during this season as I've enjoyed his efforts at Renault in which he has taken the car to the absolute limit with true racing anger. He has achieved several wonderful qualifying results plus his pace at wet Silverstone was fantastic until wrong tyre choice. He has made mistakes, but that's part of the entertainment. In a top car we would surely see a different Alonso - that one, who consistently scores points.

Anyway, I'd like to see him in Ferrari in the future.

rarpAcconavox 09-04-2008 04:00 AM

I think Alonso is enjoying himself this year. He doesn't have to worry about protecting the lead in the championship. Every drive is to the limit and then some. That by nature causes mistakes, but I wish every driver drove his A** off like that, it would make for much more entertaining racing.

Hamilton Cruised in Valencia to protect his points. That's lame. I wish we could multiply Alonsos and Massas and let them lose. Hot heads=entertaining races.

nilliraq 09-04-2008 04:28 AM

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I think Alonso is enjoying himself this year. He doesn't have to worry about protecting the lead in the championship. Every drive is to the limit and then some. That by nature causes mistakes, but I wish every driver drove his A** off like that, it would make for much more entertaining racing.

Hamilton Cruised in Valencia to protect his points. That's lame. I wish we could multiply Alonsos and Massas and let them lose. Hot heads=entertaining races.
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aabbaDE 09-04-2008 05:26 AM

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I think Alonso is enjoying himself this year. He doesn't have to worry about protecting the lead in the championship. Every drive is to the limit and then some. That by nature causes mistakes, but I wish every driver drove his A** off like that, it would make for much more entertaining racing.
I agree, but...

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Hot heads=entertaining races.
Hot heads also = people calling drivers stupid for being hot-headed (often based on bias against that particular driver, admittedly).

detskpit 09-04-2008 05:56 AM

The Renault is a mediocre car this year and Alonso has made many mistakes trying to overdrive said mediocre car. That's all, plain and simple. Think back to the 2003-2004 seasons. They were very similar to this season in regards to Alonso and Renault...

dr-eavealer 09-04-2008 05:58 AM

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His performances in the Renault are less than what I was expecting. Which is unfortunate, because I think he is one of the more interesting drivers (say, compared to Hamilton) and I would like to see him do well. Performances like Hockenheim and Magny Cours where he made crucial errors have cost him.

Thoughts?
I think your thread should be entitled RENAULT.
The other Renault not doing so well either is Red Bull!

MwhwF6bp 09-04-2008 06:23 AM

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Every drive is to the limit and then some. That by nature causes mistakes, but I wish every driver drove his A** off like that, it would make for much more entertaining racing.

Hamilton Cruised in Valencia to protect his points. That's lame. I wish we could multiply Alonsos and Massas and let them lose. Hot heads=entertaining races.
There's a time to attack or settle for points because as you say attacking on the limit leave you prone to mistakes or break the car.

Didn't most people thought it was a dumb idea and even calling him a choker that Lewis kept on attacking last year in the last few races which cost him the WDC?

When you're in Alonso's position you have nothing to lose, or do you? Renault are battling with Toyota for 4th in WCC. Not to mention how tight the midfield is dropping 1 or 2pts is a disaster.

nilliraq 09-04-2008 06:37 AM

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Didn't most people thought it was a dumb idea and even calling him a choker that Lewis kept on attacking last year in the last few races which cost him the WDC?
Lewy was called a choker, and rightly so, because he choked under pressure, he spun into the kitty litter from the pit entry road and then pushed the wrong button on the steering wheel. No way was it because he kept attacking.

MwhwF6bp 09-04-2008 07:07 AM

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No way was it because he kept attacking.
China - Lewis/McLaren should've called into the pits sooner because he destroyed his inters because of his attacking driving style

Brazil - aggressive and attacking start went wrong and dropped midfield before gremlins occured. No one knows what really happened except McLaren inner circle, same thing no ones the true problem with Mansell in Canada 1991 except the Williams inner circle.

dr-eavealer 09-04-2008 08:28 AM

I thought this thread was about Alonso and Renault. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/frown.gif
What the hell has Lewis got to do with it?
And for everyone's information, Fernando has been racing directly with the other Renault car driven by Mark Webber all season.

MiniBoy 09-04-2008 08:40 AM

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His performances in the Renault are less than what I was expecting. Which is unfortunate, because I think he is one of the more interesting drivers (say, compared to Hamilton) and I would like to see him do well. Performances like Hockenheim and Magny Cours where he made crucial errors have cost him.

Thoughts?
I think he is pushing like hell to put a crappy car in as high a position as possible. This causes his to take risks we are unacustomed to seeing, therefore the errors and accidents are magnified (although some accidents aren't his fault, just like every driver).

illilmicy 09-04-2008 12:39 PM

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I thought this thread was about Alonso and Renault. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/frown.gif
What the hell has Lewis got to do with it?
Exactly http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/styles/World/icons/icon14.gif so please everyone let's stay on topic...thanks http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif


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