[Nekas48]

[Inonanialry]

Well if Hamilton failed to yield to, 3 I think it is, blue flags then he should have been penalised.

[Verger99]

As I posted on t'other thread, there are two possibilities:

1) It never happenned. Glock seems to be the only one complaining, neither Trulli nor Toyota mentioned it at all in their post-race comments, and nobody else noticed it at the time. Do you honestly think there wouldn't have been a ten-page thread about it by now if anybody here saw it on Sunday?

2) It did happen, and by failing to even investigate it the stewards are even more hopeless and incompetent than any of us dared to imagine. If Hamilton ignored blue flags for two whole laps then not one of his fans will defend those actions.

[posimoka]

Well if Hamilton failed to yield to, 3 I think it is, blue flags then he should have been penalised.

2) It did happen, and by failing to even investigate it the stewards are even more hopeless and incompetent than any of us dared to imagine. If Hamilton ignored blue flags for two whole laps then not one of his fans will defend those actions.

From Jarno's comments it would seem that he felt he was held up, but he makes no mention of blue flags being ignored so presumably they were not being shown to Hamilton.

[scoussysows]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71441




From Jarno's comments it would seem that he felt he was held up, but he makes no mention of blue flags being ignored so presumably they were not being shown to Hamilton.

That could be the only explanation, because otherwise I think a penalty should have been dished out. Having said that, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that maybe he wasn't penalised because he was right at the back.

If he did block the Toyota he potentially cost Trulli a point or two. He could potentially have got 3rd. He probably wouldn't have, but if I remember he came out of his stop quite close behind other cars, which depending on being blocked or not, he may have remained in front of.

[jeepgrandch]

I thought the rule was 5 flags but to be honest it's inexcusable if it went on for 2 laps and flags were waved.

How far behind Lewis was Jarno? Sometimes the marshalls think that the driver is not being held up, especially as McLaren is a top team, although you'd have thought that Toyota would get more help at Fuji

[posimoka]

That could be the only explanation, because otherwise I think a penalty should have been dished out. Having said that, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that maybe he wasn't penalised because he was right at the back.

If that's the case then, as Dave said, the stewards are even more hopeless and incompetent than any of us dared to imagine.

I thought the rule was 5 flags but to be honestft it's inexcusable if it went on for 2 laps and flags were waved.

Inexcusable and incredible. Blue flags are one of the most obvious warnings a driver will get, and don't the drivers get a light in the cockpit now as well? The team would certainly be aware if blue flags were being shown to their driver, and you can bet McLaren would have told Hamilton to pull over to the side of the circuit, stop the car, get out and wave a cheery wave at Jarno to wish him well as he went by so as to avoid yet another FIA penalty

[LypeReexy]

There is no conspiracy, the stewards were just awful.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71436

[lipitrRrxX]

Yep. No blue flags = no applicable penalty.

[Giselle]

There is no conspiracy, the stewards were just awful.

BINGO!

[Nekas48]

Maybe they just thought that one penalty was enough for Hamy boy for one race. Funny eh?
As funny as how people are making up excuses like maybe he wasn't shown any blue flags and other things like that.

[posimoka]

Maybe they just thought that one penalty was enough for Hamy boy for one race. Funny eh?
As funny as how people are making up excuses like maybe he wasn't shown any blue flags and other things like that.

Well perhaps the FIA will find those blue flags. Perhaps they're just waiting until Saturday evening to announce they've decided to penalise Hamilton again by putting him to the back of the grid for Sunday's race

[Verger99]

The drivers don't just get blue flags: they get a blue warning light in the cockpit, instances of which are logged.

So if there's an accusation that Hamilton ignored blue flags for two whole laps it'll be easy enough to prove.

As I've said before, if Lewis did ignore blue flags then I won't defend him. What I won't do, however, is take Glock's word for it when nobody else watching the race noticed. That's not a slur on Glock's integrity, I would just like some evidence that this acually happenned.

I'll watch the race again later and see if I can spot these mystical flags, shouldn't be hard to spot if they were waving for two whole laps.

[Verger99]

Sadly it's impossible to tell from the TV coverage: all we see is Trulli passing Hamilton, not the lap or two before.

So I still await some evidence that Lewis ignored blue flags.

[Biashpainabix]

“In the next driver meeting, Jarno Trulli will ask [Hamilton] why he blocked him for two laps when he was a lap down,” added Toyota's Timo Glock – who also found himself on the receiving end of the McLaren-Mercedes star's aggression in the Italian Grand Prix at Monza last month – in an interview with German broadcaster RTL. “Jarno lost one-and-a-half to two seconds, because Hamilton would not obey the blue flags.”

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/n..._hamilton.html

Please, those who believe the FIA are out to get Hamilton & Mclaren, why no punishment?

Can you tell me what laps they were on?

[Biashpainabix]

Sadly it's impossible to tell from the TV coverage: all we see is Trulli passing Hamilton, not the lap or two before.

So I still await some evidence that Lewis ignored blue flags.

It's OK Dave, I've just had a butchers and it's horsecrap

The only time during the race was laps 19 to 21.

On lap 19, Trulli was still a few seconds behind.

Lap 20, he closed but was still not sufficiently close by any stretch of the imagination. Lap time 120.3

Lap 21 he closes further but not sufficiently to be impeded. 120:1

Lap 22, he finally closes up on Lewis on the 2nd half of the Lap but I can't tell if he overtakes and pits or sits behind and pits.

I also can't tell about any blue flags.

What is obvious is he was only in a potential situation to overtake for a few corners.

Thanks to vision F1

[Verger99]

It's OK Dave, I've just had a butchers and it's horsecrap

Good research

I notice that yet again it falls to us to do the legwork as once again an accusation is tossed around with no evidence.

[Biashpainabix]

Good research

I notice that yet again it falls to us to do the legwork as once again an accusation is tossed around with no evidence.

It's not a problem.

They bowl 'em and I'll bash 'em for 6.

[jeepgrandch]

Good research

I notice that yet again it falls to us to do the legwork as once again an accusation is tossed around with no evidence.

But you can't say anything unless you have hard facts!!! Even if it's your opinion you still need to back it up to show that it is infact your own opinion

[Biashpainabix]

But you can't say anything unless you have hard facts!!! Even if it's your opinion you still need to back it up to show that it is infact your own opinion

I posted the facts and provided a source that has been used on here quite a few times.

So, what is the opinion?