Ferrari.... going backwards?
 

OK, this is becoming ridiculous. It seems they are making crucial pit stratedy errors and seem to be more prone to breakdowns than ever before. The bulletproof reliability and expertise in stratedy that MS enjoyed seems to be gone. Ferrari seems like the team that was pre-MS,Brawn,Todt. Bumbling and second rate.

No they don't.

The race result seems to contradict your observations ten-tenths http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

the 1-2 was dominating. but kimi was lucky to bring it home in second and salvage some points. and there have been some boneheaded mistakes. kimi was penalized a drive thru for not choosing his tires in time. both ferraris were on the wrong tires during that wet race.. there are several others where mistakes have been made and that didnt usually happen with brawn, todt, and MS. ferrari seems more error prone to me.

Strategy wise they are clearly worse than before.
Reliability wise they are also a bit worse than before.
Luckily for them they got the best drivers and the car is really really fast, and this allows them to stay in front.

hey ioan, i think massa has become a championship caliber driver this season. i think he can take the championship if kimi starts having the same type of luck he has seen while in a maclaren.

It seems they're missing Ross Brawn, someone who knows the rule-book inside out (witness Button taking advantage of the SC/tyre change rule in Canadad), and can make a quick and decisive decision where a sudden change of strategy is required.

Today they did another 1-2 with Massa and Kimi, so there is not going that backwards, and still have chances to fight for both Championships.

They are not as strong as in 2004, but they are clearly better than 2005, and a bit better than in 2006 and maybe then last year.

Some really bad luck for Ferraris this year.

Ferrari were hardly infalible before Brawn and co left, the only real difference is that they are not quite as reliable now as they used to be (Brawn stoped making stratagey several years before he left the team).

what a stubit thread

Exactly.

so the 1-2 today was by luck?

Yep, by luck. A few more laps and one of them would have been out of the race, I'll let you guess which one.

Wow. After Malaysian Grand Prix who would have thought Massa will be leading the WDC already before half of the season?http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ies/tongue.gif In terms of raw pace Ferrari isn't certainly going backwards and while Ferrari has some issues, then other teams are struggling to capitalize on this due to quite apparent lack of pace.

No, it was not by luck. Only a great car can finish with such problems. There were 70 and not 70 and something laps.

Great car and a great driver driving that car...as these pictures show, amazing:
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutise...2008/06/664573

Great drive or not, I wonder how they will pass the weight check without the tailpipe and stuff,, it might not be much but an ounce here and a gram there, and then http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/grenade.gif

i think they will win both titles these seasons without too much problems... so yes... they are going from worse to worst... especially if we think how good the last 3 seasons were...