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Chiquita 09-12-2011 10:42 PM

Last day Jenson was beating Lewis with his own veapons in every aspect.

The walls are very close to the track in Singapore!

PharmACT 09-12-2011 10:46 PM

I'm sure Mia is a secret agent using this forum to communicate to her devious network of spy's in Code http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


"Lewis, the time runs vertical in July

Potatoes never take the air when cold"

jadabaad 09-12-2011 10:47 PM

My impression hasn't changed.

In a good car Button can be great but the difference is that in a bad car Button will trail Hamilton.

This year's McLaren is a damn good car but handicapped by not being aero efficient and that is partly down to the rear wing set up and DRS. A large rear wing will give you more DF and more drag but it won't shed it better than a smaller wing via DRS and hence the prominent vapour trails AKA vortices.

TBH I was surprised by McLaren's aero package for Monza. No wonder he had massive confidence to go round Schumi on the outside of Ascari.

Vokbeelllicky 09-13-2011 01:48 AM

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Yeah, there are plenty of if's and but's on both sides.
Fully agree, on one side mechanical failures on the other side brain failures.

Izzy 09-13-2011 03:34 AM

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I said some time back that Lewis is the one you'd pay to watch, but Jenson is the one you'd pay to drive for you.

I compared them to a latter-day Senna and Prost: one is spectacular and blindlingly quick, a megastar on and off the track, but prone to mistakes and lapses of judgement. The other sometimes fails to even register on the radar until you look at the timing screens and realise that he's quietly been getting on with the job and bringing home the trophies.

For a team like McLaren they balance each other out perfectly.
Yep Agree Dave

StitlyDute 09-13-2011 03:55 PM

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I'm sure Mia is a secret agent using this forum to communicate to her devious network of spy's in Code http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


"Lewis, the time runs vertical in July

Potatoes never take the air when cold"
http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/roflmao.gif

The bycicle is shining on my knee several rotations per banana sprocket....

jadabaad 09-14-2011 10:37 PM

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I said some time back that Lewis is the one you'd pay to watch, but Jenson is the one you'd pay to drive for you.

I compared them to a latter-day Senna and Prost: one is spectacular and blindlingly quick, a megastar on and off the track, but prone to mistakes and lapses of judgement. The other sometimes fails to even register on the radar until you look at the timing screens and realise that he's quietly been getting on with the job and bringing home the trophies.

For a team like McLaren they balance each other out perfectly.
Button reminds me more of Mansell. Not an all time great IMHO but one of those in those drivers in the shadows of greatness lacking an extra ingredient. As I said, in the right car Button is sublime but like Mansell moaning about understeer, Button moans about not getting tyre temperature when the likes of Barrichello and Hamilton were/are having no such problem.

If a car needs serious development work Button would guarantee you points but a Hamilton would give the team a huge morale boost.

Ervins Dervish 09-14-2011 11:19 PM

I do have to admit that having been a Button fan since his test shoot out for the Williams seat I do feel quite smug now http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Read so much crap about him over the years, but just knew that given the right car he is pretty much as good as anyone. This of course is his down fall and it can be pretty frustrating to hear him moan about the balance AGAIN, but wins like at Canada soon make up for that!

I do remember being at Spa in 2007 when some Germans in full Micheal Schumacher gear told me that "Jenson Button is going to the cats!" How I laughed!

deermealec 09-15-2011 12:12 AM

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fizzicist is probably too busy looking after his 2 year old son just now http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif.
So when he comes back, after a year (or more) away from the forum, all that repressed Jensen-love will flow out and destroy us all??? http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

jadabaad 09-15-2011 01:34 AM

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I do have to admit that having been a Button fan since his test shoot out for the Williams seat I do feel quite smug now http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Read so much crap about him over the years, but just knew that given the right car he is pretty much as good as anyone. This of course is his down fall and it can be pretty frustrating to hear him moan about the balance AGAIN, but wins like at Canada soon make up for that!

I do remember being at Spa in 2007 when some Germans in full Micheal Schumacher gear told me that "Jenson Button is going to the cats!" How I laughed!
To some extent there are truth to those criticisms. Button can fustrate me whereas Mansell makes up for it with his overtakes - best example being Mexico 1989/90 where Prost came from nowhere to win, Mansell falls asleep and regains second from Berger.

Then again its hard to choose between a solid drive and recovering from a donkey moment and the two probably balance each other out results wise http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...lies/smile.gif

PharmACT 09-15-2011 02:28 AM

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I do have to admit that having been a Button fan since his test shoot out for the Williams seat I do feel quite smug now http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif
Yep, I remember you were one on the faithful in the face of all the detractors.

Nice feeling isn't it. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Best team in the world with the best pairing (although I do still rate Lewis as the better driver). When McLaren get the car, we will be unstoppable http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Chiquita 09-15-2011 02:54 AM

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Yep, I remember you were one on the faithful in the face of all the detractors.

Nice feeling isn't it. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Best team in the world with the best pairing (although I do still rate Lewis as the better driver). When McLaren get the car, we will be unstoppable http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif
They will need an uber car, and even so I´m not so sure Jenson can do it.

rassedgesse 09-15-2011 03:01 AM

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They will need an uber car, and even so I´m not so sure Jenson can do it.
I think the title is already sewn up this season and most teams will be looking towards 2012 now. I doubt Mclaren and Ferrari will be releasing any major updates in the last few races if they have any sense.

Chiquita 09-15-2011 04:17 AM

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I think the title is already sewn up this season and most teams will be looking towards 2012 now. I doubt Mclaren and Ferrari will be releasing any major updates in the last few races if they have any sense.
You say so, then my statement will be valid to next year to, if you get the drift.

Enrivaanonock 09-15-2011 05:46 PM

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I'm sure Mia is a secret agent using this forum to communicate to her devious network of spy's in Code http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif


"Lewis, the time runs vertical in July

Potatoes never take the air when cold"
The red bean farts quietly in the September breeze *taps nose thusly and winks at KNockie*

PharmACT 09-15-2011 05:57 PM

Daniel winking at me

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StitlyDute 09-15-2011 10:24 PM

Getcha coat......... http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...s/laughing.gif

PlayboyAtWork 09-16-2011 02:57 AM

I've always had a soft spot for Jenson ever since his debut at BMW.Williams... he made some poor choices in the past but has matured well and is reaping the benifit of that maturity.

Lewis is a different kind of driver, I have always felt he get his kick not by winning races but by beating everyone else and he is more effected by seeing Vettel rack up more wins/championships than him... Jenson just wants to race and win races... it is still fun for him....

I think Jenson can surpass Lewis at McLaren, Lewis if not careful will self destruct and jump ship.

Ervins Dervish 09-16-2011 04:15 AM

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Yep, I remember you were one on the faithful in the face of all the detractors.

Nice feeling isn't it. http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

Best team in the world with the best pairing (although I do still rate Lewis as the better driver). When McLaren get the car, we will be unstoppable http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif
Its a great feeling, infact I think it makes the wins and the 2009 Championship even more sweeter http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif

PharmACT 09-16-2011 04:37 AM

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Its a great feeling, infact I think it makes the wins and the 2009 Championship even more sweeter http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif
And then they still say it was a fluke http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...s/laughing.gif

I will have to search back to "The Most Overated Driver of all Time" thread. I think that was the one http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...s/laughing.gif

To coin one of my old ones...... Egg and Faces http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...es/biggrin.gif


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