[darieBarexish]

http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/hea...759167.0.0.php

Sir Jackie Stewart has called for Max Mosley, the president of Formula One's ruling body, the FIA, to step down from his job, following a series of controversies during the current Grand Prix season.

Stewart, the 68-year-old three-times world champion, was recently described as a "certified halfwit" by Mosley, a remark which has attracted widespread condemnation from the majority of F1 followers, including Damon Hill, the last Briton to win the world drivers' championship.

[MartZubok]

Strong words there but i agree with Sir Jackie 100%

[realnilkless]

This is the point which makes the whole thing a farce: "Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?"

[darieBarexish]

No!

[NarunapyCalry]

What authority does this senile old man have? Nothing, he should just go home because he has nothing on Mosley and the FIA, just his biased views and glorified image of mr Dennis and Hamilton.

[incimisiche]

Hhmmm... well said, Jackie Stewart !!!

I said when Spygate first came out... early on...

that I didn't think Mad Max would survive this Circus.

You can bet Mercedes, as well as other Companies that are directly involved in Formula One... wouldn't be sad to see Maxie... GO !!!

Max has not only made himself look foolish... with this mess... he has tarnished the sport and brought the FIA into "Disrepute" !!!

In other words... as at Indy in 2005, Max has created another... FIAsco !!!



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[darieBarexish]

What authority does this senile old man have? Nothing, he should just go home because he has nothing on Mosley and the FIA, just his biased views and glorified image of mr Dennis and Hamilton.

Son, you are too young to know.

[Michael-jeckson2]

Sorry Jackie you're wrong on this one. This whole thing came about because Jackie defended Hamilton and said the FIA had no idea what they were doing regarding the situation of him being potentially penalised.

The FIA had every right to look into the incident with Hamilton, Webber and Vettel and Jackie should have just kept his trap shut and just let the process go through. Instead he ranted and raved about what a travesty of justice the whole thing was. Fair that he has an opinion but there's a constructive means in which to convey that opinion.

[SarkisPioute]

Son, you are too young to know.

well said

[Michael-jeckson2]

This is the point which makes the whole thing a farce: "Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?"

If the team had publicly come out and stated there was no #1 driver then it would not be obscene to suggest, no.

That said, I don't ever recall Todt discussing Schumacher and Rubens as them and us....?

[SarkisPioute]

Sorry Jackie you're wrong on this one. This whole thing came about because Jackie defended Hamilton and said the FIA had no idea what they were doing regarding the situation of him being potentially penalised.

Ari you are still missing the boat lad

a) it doesn't matter if Stewart defended Hamilton, it doesn't give MM the right to say what he said, and has the head of FIA it certainly is not the right thing to do.

b) in fact what you are advocating is that it is ok for him to receive that sort of treatment because he was "defending Hamilton"

Where was his outrage when many others, current and past heavily criticized the FIA for their handling of Schumacher and Ferrari, How come he didn't see fit to unleash such bile then, or is it just reserved for McClaren, RD and LH.

Even if you agree with the FIA stance towards McClaren, you cannot possibly agree that their handling of the matter, from the hearings to comments by MM to the latest McClaren oversight fiasco has been top notch

If you don't think that MM's reaction to Stewart was excessive, or that his institution of an oversight in Brazil of McClaren is intrusive, then there is no point in debating further, as you can't see beyond your bias.

The real issue is the way MM handled the situation and not the underlying comments by Stewart, which incidentally, he is fully entitled to speak about, as are you or anybody else, what would be inappropriate and completely undignified would be for the president of the FIA to lash out in such an uncouth manner.

boy this is exhausting and tiresome to explain over and over again.

[darieBarexish]

Instead he ranted and raved about what a travesty of justice the whole thing was. Fair that he has an opinion but there's a constructive means in which to convey that opinion.

First of all I respect, and agree with some of the points you made in your post.
These are JYS' words. Do you consider them rantings, and something less than constructive?

"Perhaps Max Mosley has been in the job too long. I definitely think that he should consider his position and that a new president should be head- hunted from outwith the sport, so there is no conflict of interest."


I surely don't!

[RayFairhurst]

http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/hea...759167.0.0.php

Sir Jackie Stewart has called for Max Mosley, the president of Formula One's ruling body, the FIA, to step down from his job, following a series of controversies during the current Grand Prix season.

Stewart, the 68-year-old three-times world champion, was recently described as a "certified halfwit" by Mosley, a remark which has attracted widespread condemnation from the majority of F1 followers, including Damon Hill, the last Briton to win the world drivers' championship.

I see that actually everybody here is missing the point (and I am disappointed to still see people in denial about the spy gate situation). Who remembers what has the FIA said about McLaren and Alonso? For those of you who suffer of very severe short memory, the FIA said that those pilots who would voluntarely provide the FIA with information about the spy gate would be able to keep their super licenses and also warned their teams (McLAren) no to seek revenge against the whistle blowers. Are you guys with me so far? OK. Then, because of complaints coming from the Spanish representative of the FIA and FA about strange episodes continuing happening to FA (tires unevenly inflated. for example), the FIA decided to make sure thet there is no "retribution" against FA especially after RD himself said that the team, in the last race, was no racing against Kimi, but against Alonso. After saying something like that, does he still look like someone who is actually FULLY intentioned to give both drivers the same car to you? Now, am I making this up? Are you guys actually able to read the news and eventually...retain the information? Or, you have already your mind made up, so whatever happens, if it is not what you want to hear (McLAren winning, ooopps..Lewis winning, that is), then it's a lie, trash, whatever. Get out your denial state. This is reality.
PS I need a vacation. This is too stressfull

[realnilkless]

If the team had publicly come out and stated there was no #1 driver then it would not be obscene to suggest, no.

That said, I don't ever recall Todt discussing Schumacher and Rubens as them and us....?

No!! he just told Rubens to "MOVE OVER"

[NarunapyCalry]

What´s the point? Team orders were not illegal back then.

[Michael-jeckson2]

Ari you are still missing the boat lad

Oi! Only my grandpappy calls me a lad!!

a) it doesn't matter if Stewart defended Hamilton, it doesn't give MM the right to say what he said, and has the head of FIA it certainly is not the right thing to do. I don't disagree with that. What Max said was really childish and silly. Even if he disagreed with Jackie calling him a "certified halfwit" is completely out of line.

b) in fact what you are advocating is that it is ok for him to receive that sort of treatment because he was "defending Hamilton" How on earth did you come to that conclusion? My post stated that Jackie is entirely due his opinion and I believe he's given enough to the sport and knows enough for that opinion to carry weight. My post had absolutely no bias re Hamilton whatsoever.... if I'm wrong on that one, please feel free to highlight where.

Where was his outrage when many others, current and past heavily criticized the FIA for their handling of Schumacher and Ferrari, How come he didn't see fit to unleash such bile then, or is it just reserved for McClaren, RD and LH. Personally, I don't think others went to the same extent that Jackie did. In fact, I'm not even certain we're talking about the same thing here! I saw Jackie came out and absolutely gave it to Max and the FIA regarding the Hamilton suspension during China quali. He said they have no idea what they were doing and that the whole thing was absurd and Bernie and co needed to take a good hard look at themselves. This was on SpeedTV's coverage and from my take what they took offence to. There is also the comments he made about Max being unfit for the Presidency and that they should look outside the sport for the next candidate however my belief is that it was Jackies comments during China quali which set Max off.

Even if you agree with the FIA stance towards McClaren, you cannot possibly agree that their handling of the matter, from the hearings to comments by MM to the latest McClaren oversight fiasco has been top notch Agree with that. The whole thing has been completely botched but in saying that.... situations like this are rather irregular so it's difficult to find precedence.

If you don't think that MM's reaction to Stewart was excessive, or that his institution of an oversight in Brazil of McClaren is intrusive, then there is no point in debating further, as you can't see beyond your bias. See above.... I do agree it was childish and excessive.

The real issue is the way MM handled the situation and not the underlying comments by Stewart, which incidentally, he is fully entitled to speak about, as are you or anybody else, what would be inappropriate and completely undignified would be for the president of the FIA to lash out in such an uncouth manner. I disagree. I agree with you in the MM was out of line and needs to reconsider the way he approaches a situation like this, but I strongly disagree in you saying Jackie was entitled to say what he did. It's one thing to argue that you don't agree with the FIA's stance on a situation and another to, on their broadcast, call them fools and say they've no idea what they're doing.


boy this is exhausting and tiresome to explain over and over again. To be honest, I'd not seen your opinion on this before now.

[darieBarexish]

I see that actually everybody here is missing the point (and I am disappointed to still see people in denial about the spy gate situation). Who remembers what has the FIA said about McLaren and Alonso? For those of you who suffer of very severe short memory, the FIA said that those pilots who would voluntarely provide the FIA with information about the spy gate would be able to keep their super licenses and also warned their teams (McLAren) no to seek revenge against the whistle blowers. Are you guys with me so far? OK. Then, because of complaints coming from the Spanish representative of the FIA and FA about strange episodes continuing happening to FA (tires unevenly inflated. for example), the FIA decided to make sure thet there is no "retribution" against FA especially after RD himself said that the team, in the last race, was no racing against Kimi, but against Alonso. After saying something like that, does he still look like someone who is actually FULLY intentioned to give both drivers the same car to you? Now, am I making this up? Are you guys actually able to read the news and eventually...retain the information? Or, you have already your mind made up, so whatever happens, if it is not what you want to hear (McLAren winning, ooopps..Lewis winning, that is), then it's a lie, trash, whatever. Get out your denial state. This is reality.
PS I need a vacation. This is too stressfull

I know your not talking about me since I posted this yesterday on another thread


I do feel very strongly that it appears that the tire pressure incident in China provoked this.
We must not forget however that at the time of the spy gate hearing that resulted in a $100 million fine and loss of wcc points. It was stated that McLaren could face more sanctions for the 2008 season if evidence that LH was given preferential treatment in the aftermath.
With a possibility of serious sanctions why would Ron not welcome this? As he has held very strongly (and I believe rightfully so) that they are not, or ever have given LH any advantage. Even if they PREFER that he wins.

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[KevinDonae]

...and so..how is this FIA representative in FA's pit going to know if a tire is underinflated by a lb or so? It's madness!

[darieBarexish]

What´s the point? Team orders were not illegal back then.

Team orders were illegal when Rubens rode shotgun for Mike way "back then"

[NvrNoNowX]

"There is an escalating awareness that he Mosley is being called into question over the proper governance of the FIA and his authority is being undermined, to an increasing degree, largely because we are in the most exciting F1 campaign there has been for years, and yet the papers are full of negative publicity.
"As far as I am concerned, it looks as if we are shooting ourselves in both feet, not with a pistol, but with a semi- automatic rifle, and the governing body is damaging the reputation of the whole sport and bringing it into disrepute." Spot on

"I believe there has to be greater accountability. Perhaps Max Mosley has been in the job too long. I definitely think that he should consider his position and that a new president should be head- hunted from outwith the sport, so there is no conflict of interest." Spot on

"Formula One is a domain in which the owners pay the drivers and recruit the mechanics to design the car, and the governing body should have no say in the internal workings of any team." Spot on

Once again Sir Jackie Stewart shows himself to have a firm grip on the reality of what has gone on this season, and what should be done about it.

Max Mosley has lost his grip, and throwing insults around as he has done just confirms it.